so, now that we've established this fact, will you not to take a position on it? You will just say, it is what it is? 'Cause I feel we should all say it's *wrong*.

I pointed this out when this story was posted on Groupthink, but discussions about models and size-ism here tend to be well-intentioned, but usually fucked up. When we demand the the fashion industry represent larger women, we (who claim to care about humanizing women and promoting healthy and realistic attitudes…

She's probably around 6 feet tall.

So, yes. A size 10 is not normally plus-sized, but the world of modeling isn't normal.

I'm more than a little incredulous that a blogger at Jezebel, a place that has a penchant for snarking on people who have committed far lesser body-image related offences, fails to see the problem with this.

Uh well I guess it's good the criminal justice system doesn't agree with you? Plus I'd like to see you run that by a group of rape victims. I think they would most likely tell you that the reason their rapes occurred is because another individual made the decision to rape. Not bad luck on the part of the rapist.

Okay I'll bite.

Agreed. It was a terrible, terrible idea that the show had real trouble recovering from (and some think it never did).

I love it when an old-timey creep is surprised by the changing culture and his old crimes are brought up into the light. Imagine the psychological comfort he's been enjoying, thinking he got away with it, and the deliciously bitter confusion he must be feeling now that his past is illuminated.

I'm sure you'll find that quite a few women have.

Cornering someone in public, in front of a crowd, and hitting them with a surprise marriage proposal is not romantic. It is cruel, and a little bit manipulative ("they'll totally be less likely to say no in front of all these people!"). I really wish this would become A Thing That Never Happens Again.

Yes. The Pope is supposed to be the infallible representation of God's will on Earth, and even the voting by the cardinals is supposed to be simply God expressing the right choice via their calls. They believe Jesus appointed Peter to be the metaphorical rock on which the faith would be built after his departure, and…

Ah yes, because the Miss America contestants are so wildly different looking.

Remember, some of this is contouring makeup too. I mean, you get really similar results in making everyone look the same, but it's not all plastic surgery. Contouring freaks me out man.

It's not exactly a fair comparison when the "after" picture features professional lighting and makeup. Hell, a decent makeup artist and photographer could easily create the illusion of a nose or jawline being smaller or larger cheek bones and eyes.

Not a Catholic, but aren't they supposed to toe the line no matter who is in charge? I back talk to my boss less than these guys, and my boss isn't the "voice of God" or whatever the Pope is to Catholics.

I am ambivalent about plastic surgery at this point, but I geniunely wonder what happens psychologically when you wake up with a different face.

This happened in Ireland during the summer.

Good for you. And how on earth did you find a doctor willing to "let" you do that? In NYC, there are probably two doctors who will take that on.

I'm three paragraphs into this Times article and already feel sick. These "isolated" cases are the type of slow creep where everyone just ignores it until it's too late. Fuck everything.