If you drive 1k miles a month, and use no gas at all in you PHEV, the breakeven time on the PHEV increase in price is still over 8 years.

And there’s your problem. PHEV vehicles cost 10k more than a hybrid, and you save maybe 50 bucks a month in gas, provided you’re diligent about charging. That’s a 16 year payoff for the 10k increase in price if you drive 1k a month. The solution, of course is a straight hybrid vehicle. Better use of batteries (you can…

You definitely can get away with almost entirely electric for around town! I've posted it before, but my boss has a PHEV, and between home and office charging on a 120V outlet, he only needs to fill up the gas tank once every 1,000 miles

I always liked the idea of PHEV’s but I guess you are paying more for more complexity in the drivetrain department, and as EV costs begin to fall it might not be worth the tradeoff. If I had a PHEV I’d probably mostly charge at home and use gas for long trips, but that might also lead to a decline in charging at all.…

1st— Mmhmm, yeah “centrist” views. Money going to a whacko senile felon, who’s now threatening Americans with military action who disagree with him and his cronies. Putting my family’s existence at risk. Real nice.
After all that’s gone down these past few years with Trump, his slime supporters etc.....how, HOW can…

Remember that if you buy a Tesla, this is where your money is going. Some fascist lunatics may like that idea, but don’t delude yourself into thinking that’s not what buying a Tesla means.

It’s only down 8%. That’s not tanking nearly enough for this shitshow of vaporware. But then again everyone should have already known that whatever Musk announced would not be able to happen for another decade or so.

He also said back in 2016 that all Teslas built from that point would make the owners money because they all had the tech they need to run level 5 autonomy... but based on this it sounds like only 2025 and beyond models... which is of course also bullshit.

It is all vaporware.

Never. Going. To. Happen. Not sure how much longer this charade can go on, but I bet they open pre-orders soon...

Not just movie props — these are just rendered images of movie props, right? Did they even have a model of one of these on display? It would only cost $100K or so to have a mockup built that looks real on the outside, which is peanuts for Tesla. This whole thing seems like a last minute effort thrown together with AI…

None of these things are actually mean to exist, which is why there are no details: They’re just meant to make gullible rubes go “ooh, aah” and pump the stock the next day and keep the grift afloat a little longer.

Forget about the price for a second, the real question is WHEN ???

Chris Harris is one of the few people that I might have actually held my nose and listened to a Rogan episode to hear speak in an informal setting. But knowing there is still a bunch of Tesla shilling going on by Rogan? Blech, hard pass.

Did he work for Top Gear in 2008? Honest question; I can’t find any reference to him being there before 2016.

It’s real weird to for two people to confidently pontificate about an event that happened a decade and a half ago, which neither of them witnessed, on a TV show that neither of them were involved with at the time.

If the thought of those two sociopathic billionaires revising the American democracy doesn’t scare the shit out of you, I don’t know that you care at all about America any longer.

Get out the vote. Check your registration. Mail in ballots especially. Skeletor Scott is bragging about yanking some 16k voters from the rolls. 

Happy to see Mazda not on the list. We’ve had three CX-5s and have had little trouble with any of them.

Surprised not to see Nissan make an appearance in the bottom half of the field.