Right, because people in Miami are dumb and uneducated, unlike you geniuses and intellectuals in Jacksonville.

Records are not factual data? Good point.

No, I mean the self-interested concerns of deflecting fault and blame.

Obviously it hasn't, at least not to Urban Meyer; who knows more about football and Tebow than any commentator or journalist, and does not have the self-interest concerns of people working for NFL teams.

You're not the judge of whether the case has been made, but thank you for pointing out that no below average QB ever accomplished the feat.

Cream has a much more difficult rise to the top for a QB in the NFL b/c teams treat that position different than every other position. It's not a competition for the spot. Teams decide which QB they want to take high in the draft and then they ride with it for a couple of years. Nobody else has a chance unless the…

Let me ask you this: is Kellen Moore a failure at QB? Is he the best QB in the league? We don't answer to either question b/c regardless of how good he is, no coach is going to put him in over Stafford; not because Stafford is better, but b/c a coach would have much more to lose by playing Moore in front of Stafford.

They were 1-4. Has anyone else in the last 30 years taken a 1-4 team to second round the playoffs? He wasn't the best QB in the league, but that accomplishment indicates he was average at least, probably slightly above average.

An example. Blaine Gabbert got an opportunity and failed. Chad Henne got an opportunity and failed. Guys like Dimwiddie, Zabranski, etc. didn't get the opportunity, so we have no idea whether or not they would have failed.

You pointed out two; one who got his chance because on an injury to someone else. Really proves the point.

It has to be considered, sure. But a 3 game stretch as a rookie doesn't outweigh what he accomplished the following season.

Yes, I am referring to that season. His affect on the team, which was proven in its record, is far more important than individual stats. Far more important.

The past 4-5 years. Plenty of weapons around him.

Right, because anybody could take a 1-4 team to the second round of the playoffs. Doesn't prove anything.

Stafford is terrible, and he's proven it time and again. He's failed to win on plenty of good teams, both in college and the pros.

Do undrafted QB's get a legitimate opportunity? Do they get anything more than a few scout team reps?

Beyond the fact that he took a 1-4 team to the second round of the playoffs in the one season he got a chance.

He did take a 1-4 team to the second round of the playoffs.

How many of those not on your list never got a legitimate chance to play in the NFL? Let's not act like everybody gets a chance. Only a minor percentage get to prove whether or not they're capable.

I'm not sure the difference is as minor as you're describing. In the US, it's an average of 3 points every 10 years. That's a lot— 30 points every hundred years. That's the average person in 100 years equaling someone in the top 10-15 percent now.