Some do. And either way, their money is in the mix - even if you pay the premium, it's usually only half or so, the other half is the employer's rate.

So right now, your money can only buy insurance cheaply if you go through a group plan at an employer.

And the employer is taking money that they aren't keeping for…

How about we just pay for them ourselves, instead of encouraging entitlements and using force to steal that money?

How about it being voluntary?

Quelle horreur, indeed!

Oh, okay.

So it's HOGWASH to call taking my money by threat of imprisonment, death, violence, further theft of my other property, or further debt enforced by the others, theft?

And it's HOGWASH to then call spending that without considering my opinion on its expenditure tyranny?

And it's HOGWASH to point out that…

Nope. Gilded Age bullshit was not Capitalism, it was Cronyism. People playing favorites.

Yeah, we could have an entire discussion on the preamble.

You likely don't *want* to, but we could.

Words of note: "Promote" is not "Force", power doesn't imply moral authority, just ability, etc.....

Nope, you're still advocating the use of Government Mandates [Force].

You're also advocating the theft of the people's money who pay the lawmakers to make, administrate, and manage those mandates, as well as the theft of an unwilling party [the Employer] to pay for things they may or may not want to pay for.

Mandate less, lower taxes, and they'd have less incentive to do that.

No, Medicaid should be eliminated.

Moralist Arguments are Moralist.

Statist Arguments are Statist.

Libertarian hates both.

Right Country, wrong people running it - read the Constitution lately?

Federalist Papers?

This is simple shit.

So how about diverting that compensation directly to the employee, and they can then use that compensation to buy the insurance they want?

Oh, but that would require less mandates and less free shit that Someone Else Has To Pay For™

Oh, yes, I'm the moron because I advocate for ALL people as Individuals, and not just selective Victim Categories that are cause célèbre and I don't use ridiculous shit like argumentum ad populum?

Get bent.

No it's not, and it ought to be - so why not fix THAT instead of not only Feeding the Beast, but giving it OmegaSteroids™?

Taxation. Inherently Amoral. Equivalent to Theft by Force.

Sick of Repeating Self to Fuckwits.

Also: Taxed measures are voted upon, therefore, taxpayers have opinions.

But the system used is Democracy, and Democracy sucks because it's inherently vulnerable to moralism, populism, and fuckwits.

At least one person here recognizes this.

Thanks for actually being logical.

Not my problem. Any solution you would propose to that would require inherent coercion.

* I try not to, they suck. Private Toll Roads are 10x better.

*I would never send my offspring to one of those brainwashing shit factories if my very life depended on it.

*I buy my books.

*Would love to - heard of SeaSteading?

No, those things would all exist, you'd just have to actually pay for them.

#AnCap

And those mandates are just as inherently amoral and stupid.

More mandates are not a solution.

We can't get to London by going to the South Pole, even if the plane's faster.