I personally thought the civics interior just tries too hard while being relatively disgusting. Cobalt has the better stereo and better seats as well. I don't spend much time staring at my dash while I am driving but the things I do look at (gauges, stereo) and things I touch (steering wheel, seats) are superior. …

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HAHAHA SC300's are garbage. I bet you have a shocker sticker on your back window.

So pretty much every classic european car ever? People still like them.

This deserves its own article. People are quick to claim function>form but once something like this comes up people always backpedal.

Suicide doors also = lack of rigidity.

285? that's pretty conservative. If you actually tuned it on a dyno and it wasn't a canned tune its actually kind of embarassing (unless you were running <20psi)

Depreciation you say? Lets see how much an M car of the same year has depreciated by comparison?

"infinite tunability"??

"DUDEZ YUR COBALT IS TEH SLOW, MY DAD HAS A VIPURR WITH TURBO AND SUPERCHARGED NITROUS. IT GOES 300 MPH AND YOUR STOOPID"

They should just go ahead and stretch 195's over 10" wide wheels, dial in a disgusting amount of camber and lower it 4 inches to save the people who will buy this the trouble.

It wont be.

In a perfect world...

The '10+ cars have different injector seals that are e safe. You can swap them into the older cars. An relatively safe E tune on stock turbo w/ downpipe and IC nets about 350whp and 410+wtq. I'd never go that far but it has been done.

Nice I'd like to see a SS on e @24 lbs run ya.

That's what mine was going for. Talked them down to 13000 and traded my 96 regal 3.1 for 1200 and it was 11,800 before tax. Not bad.

The r32 is embarassingly slow compared to the SS around a track.

Not to mention sti, evo, s2000, LFA, S5.

Were referring to the r.26r tthing that was caged. The renaults are no joke though. Also almost twice as expensive

Yeaaaa, you would be wrong.