No jeep, wrong direction. You need to sell a bare-bones AWD 4-seater utility vehicle with acceptable output for $17500.

Dear Lexus: This is what you were trying to do every time you fucked up.

It's not adding downforce, but preventing lift. Because the cars ride relatively high with a rough (not smooth) undercarriage and no diffusers, fast flowing air over the top of the rear creates low pressure compared to slower-moving air below the car. So a spoiler in this case doesn't add "downforce" (more grip) as…

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None of my opinions were read in a magazine or a blog though. Cadillac hasn't released enough info about the turbo V6, and it hasn't been around long enough to even have that much information out to even say it's a bad motor, but I am saying that it's unlikely to be a better value proposition than the LS motor,…

I'm saying that I would prefer an LS motor derivative in the ATS because it's a proven, successful, equally powerful motor that's been shown to be taken well above it's stock HP levels without failures, and that the other option (the Cadillac turbo V6) is still mysterious enough as to its tolerances and limits that it…

Well, no one is going to flip you off or curse because that goes out of their way. Will they treat you differently when they talk to you though?

And after reading some of the replies, it's hard to say that the stigma doesn't exist. I mean, literally every single reply from the group is explaining how real it is.

I never called you an asshole. I said that it seems ignorant to me to ignore a stigma that seems real. Instead of just arguing about it, I thought I'd listen to other people's opinions first.

At least not compared to the LS motor.

In case you're interested, I started a discussion with some of the people on Oppo to get it out and in the open what their opinions were on the issue. It's here: http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/is-there-a-bmw…

Yeah, I've noticed that most municipal police cars (at least here in Chicago) are Explorers or Tauruses, with still about 80% of them being Crown Vics. But highway patrol and state police is full of Chargers.

Chrysler engine

Accord V6.

It would be a hard question to answer without knowing the ATS-V's price... but I think I agree. I'd pony up for a $20,000 difference between the two.

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