can we, like, wait until we see something more than an obvious pre-production prototype to declare the Renegade an unforgivable travesty? The idea that this is "too complete" to be a mule is ridiculous; I saw an X4 mule in town yesterday that was 100% complete save a little circle of camo over the roundels and no…

As a Saab fan, I know exactly what you mean. Actually, I think that's exactly it—just like the swedes, there's an aesthetic in this design that's just a half-step from our sense of "traditional beauty". It's still close enough that we recognize it as unmistakeable pretty, but at the same time we know it's not "right"…

Look, it's unmistakeably attractive and I'm not here to argue against that under any circumstances. But am I really the only one who is a teensy bit put off by the front treatment? Something about the nose as a whole just feels half a touch off.

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If you want more evidence that current infotainment systems from the 2010s will become grossly outmoded, look at them from the 2000s. I only have experience with BMW systems from that era, but as bad as Idrive is the pre-bangle stuff is now literally worthless.

What do you mean? Creating a vehicle for a specific target market doesn't work?

GF is a badass, but even he can't tart the frumpy girl up enough for me to take my eyes off the popular girls in the luxosport class. Sorry, call me shallow, but I've owned a Saab so I've already paid my "IT'S A SUBSTANTIALLY MORE PRACTICAL DESIGN OKAY" dues at a much lower price point.

I'm not saying that wasn't hilarious, I'm just saying you missed a huge opportunity to call him MuskMan haha

First car was a 78 Formula. Came in prepared to be pissed. They won me over.

We need to start a petition to Volvo to build this damn thing exactly as-is.

Ahaha I was just giving McMike a hard time, but thanks for responding! Hope the heart palpitations have stopped by now. Now that you've had some, ahem, firsthand experience with it, are we gonna get a Jalopnik review on the new caprice? :P

Hey, John. Congrats on the Venom record, must feel great to make the dream a reality.

So what was Jeff like, Travis?!

It doesn't make me question the validity of their stories, but it does make me wonder if there's an all-cobalt rally series we don't know about.

Alpina before what?

Wow, good catch!!

Oh.

There's most likely more than it appears from this angle, due to the way front seats are shaped.