Haha you picked, like the least cool stielow build to mention here. He's also built, what, 12 1st gen camaros now? And his latest one is basically a zr1 underneath, definitely including the abs (although he's had some trouble with it on-track in the past) and possibly including some of the more advanced electronic…

Haha understandable. Best of luck in this new endeavor!

Potentially interesting from a business/demographic standpoint. So you guys found truck enthusiasts to be a strong enough market to launch a sub-brand for? I'd enjoy seeing how you guys picked that over, say, a hardcore racing fan spinoff or other equivalent. Would make for a cool article if it's not too far of a peek…

In my experience DD'ing an e39 M5' I've found the unwritten M enthusiast' rule is this: every generation M car up to yours (or the one you loved as a kid if you own more than one) is always a legend, your generation is the final evolution of the legend, and every generation after yours is a fucking shitbox of bullshit…

Beat me to it. Here's hoping.

Gotcha, my apologies for misinterpreting

I didn't say that they should. I didn't say that one was even better than the other. I said that the entire point was moot. The fact of the matter is, the different regulations exist currently exist and automakers must accommodate them if they want to sell a given car in both regions. If the us regulations are more…

Unless the money saved from developing to the less stringent standard is greater than the money earned by developing to the more stringent standard regardless of mutual exclusivity, which is usually the case these days. Regardless, you're right, it all comes down to demand. If they can make more money selling on both…

The relative efficacy of the standards isn't pertinent to this discussion. The fact of the matter is, the standards are different, and therefore the cars sold in each market must be different, and therefore the development cost of a model sold in both markets is higher. If the development cost exceeds the projected…

Yes, but at the same time those other 5% of parts do cost money, and even if they only cost, say, ten bucks per percent of specialization more, that's 50 bucks extra cost per car. Now, sell a hundred thousand of the cars, and that's 5,000,000 bucks extra to bring a high volume car to the us and the eu. These numbers…

I've driven an e46 once and remember it being stunning, but it was years until I got my mitts on another M-car, long enough that I remember it being great but the details have become foggy.

I wish I had seen this at thanksgiving so I could be more publicly thankful that none of you who think this looks better than the c7 work at GM.

1) you and your friend are both fucking balls-out awesome and all I want for Christmas is to know that you guys had the same commute and therefore DTM raced to work every day.

So the e39 M5 is the best non-"classic"/"legend" M car ever? As an owner, I am a touch surprised, but certainly not disappointed. I would have thought the slightly-numbish steering and relative weight gain would have hurt its rank more. Guess dat S62 automatically overrides all points to the contrary?

You're confusing sports car fans with automotive enthusiasts.

Oh I agree with you totally, my point was simply that of course Patrick would find the Prius loathsome as it is squarely targeted at his antithesis—all of his priorities mean nothing to the average Prius customer, and the average Prius customer's priorities mean nothing to Patrick.

You're seriously gonna try to argue that jalopnik isn't an enthusiast website? You are officially a crazy person and I am now afraid to talk to you, lest whatever mind rot you have somehow be transferred to me.

I think it's one of those "this is an enthusiast website and a Prius checks exactly zero of an enthusiast website's author's check boxes and would therefore be considered quite bad by the standard of the person who wrote this article" situations.

Except you're the one who is completely wrong;

You day they don't, but they really do.