Well said. We picked up a ‘19 WK2 with the V8 as the “family hauler” for less than $55k and it came very well equipped (unlike previous Jeeps we have owned it has been remarkably trouble free). The dealer recently tried to get us to trade it in for a 4xE GC with a sticker of nearly $80k; what really struck me was that…

It’s all a show.

It’s pretty simple: a nearly-all European executive team who has very little experience with the North American market is running the show. Into the ground.

But wouldn’t people ask about the effort either way? Like if you show up to running events, do people not talk to you about running until they see your bumper magnet? Do you just lean on your car and wait for someone to see your 26.2 sticker so they will engage with you?

I don’t take what drivers have to say on weight or tires or what have you too seriously because race drivers are never happy with what they have.

Getting close to 30 days since my purchase while the bank is primed and ready for their first payment, the DMV doesn’t even know I bought a car yet.

A seven-day repayment time would be nice, though it sure doesn’t seem like dealerships I’ve dealt with pay the license fees and taxes or loan balances on trades within anywhere near that amount of time. If that stuff gets done in 30 days after purchase, I feel lucky.

You are right about the improvements in modern turbo engines. Engines in general last a heck of a lot longer than stuff built 30 years ago. 

under stressed engines should last longer, but we are also getting to the point where even highly stressed engines last a very long time

I thought this was not really a secret...?

Has nothing to do with market and everything to do with Stellantis moving from V8s to straight 6s.

I see it as the opposite. Every Hyundai on the road is pretty bold-looking, but they all fully commit to their style in a way that is consistent. They’ve managed to stand out by having ballsy design language and a few consistent elements, instead of doing what automakers do and giving everything the same headlights. 

I thought about the Flex design the other day and I think that is the perfect SUV design. Boxy to accommodate more room, not overly tall or big. It was basically a stretched Sion XB and that was a good thing...now I don’t know how it drove, but from a design perspective I liked it.

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1. Lowered trucks rule.

The average buyer ditches a vehicle around 50-60k miles. What does long term reliability actually matter to them?

I would say both matter a lot, but I don’t think this survey does much to accurately measure the former.

I’ll be honest, I has had a poor view of Chrylser/Stellantis quality, mostly been a Honda, Toyota, BMW and Ford person through the decades.

It looks like 4xe owners are averaging a bit under 30mpg overall, compared to roughly 19mpg on the unelectrified 2.0T (and a bit under 18 for the V6), at least as per Fuelly data. That’s a pretty decent boost, especially if tax credits or any other perks come into play (I know around here, PHEV’s get HOV lane access…

As an owner of one, I can definitely say the 4XE Wrangler is amazing.