America has long desolate highways for a reason my friend.

For the love of God look at what they’re actually selling for. MSRP MEANS NOTHING.

Base Corvettes are selling for well less than MSRP.

Look on cars.com a brand new C7 base W/O mag ride is listed for 46,170.

The mag ride system is also very expensive to replace, you’re looking at around $4,000 in parts. Is it better, yes. Is it worth a 10-15k premium over a base model? Absolutely not unless you’re shopping in the 65-70k car range where the competition…

I disagree, the base corvette with aftermarket suspension or opt for the Magna ride is by far the best Corvette for the money.

Clocking in at under 50k I can’t see how you justify another $30,000+ over the base price. That pays for a ton of trackdays, upgraded brakes (you don’t really need them) and all the road trips…

These is a reason the Viper has not has the racing success of Corvette and Ford. If it was a competitive car you’d have seen them out there.

This gets into theory of design. What do most people want? They want a car they hop in drive to work and don’t think about/interrupt their morning run through of the day to come.

Because it means Ford is not producing enough of them. It’s the same thing with the GT 350 and Hellcat.

The Cayenne Turbo also has a stop start system. It’s there to bump CAFE, not improve the customer experience.

My good friend loves his Cherokee, but would never buy the truck again due to the heinous stop start system again. It’s so disappointing.

EGR 2x then deleted, one turbo, 2 headgaskets, multiple injector failures. I sold the bitch running on 7 cylinders.

Hold on, how does frame stiffness have anything to do with sitting on the bumpstops when properly loaded?

2016s are being listed for 8-10k off MSRP for the base trucks. I’d imagine I could not negotiate the same deal on something that has not been sitting around for a bit.

I found a 67 GM 1 ton on Craigslist that would be perfect for that. It’s cheap, need a rebuild but can easily haul a race car up top. You’ll probably only do 55 mph but you’d be rolling in style.

The problem is that a trailer is cheap. Otherwise you’re building a semi dedicated truck for car hauling. I’ve seen guys convert them into stake trucks for work use but that’s a rarity.

I think together you have a solution to your problems.

No, no it’s not. You can better tune the suspension is the frame is stiff.

It uses the same F150 body with a new hood, they did it to reduce manufacturing costs.

I’m afraid BRODOZER and BRODOZER Jr. know about a hack saw and retune.

I’m in Detroit. I’m probably going to wait and see what the new 2017 pricing is like and see if it crashes 2016 prices.

Because I want a stripper base truck I can probably find a better deal on a built truck that has been sitting on the lot than ordering something specific

I supply Ford chassis and wheel hub guys, I stop by their offices at least once a week. I see them going through FEA data all the time.

Plus have you seen the new box frame? It’s ridiculously massive.