The Volt drivetrain is significantly more complex than a DI turbo 3 cylinder with a manual transmission. Volts have had some issues (headgaskets), I was leery of that. It was a hard choice between the new Fiesta and a lightly used Volt.

An EV does not make pure economical sense, it won’t for a very long time. That’s not the market they’re targeting.

If pure economics are your concern buy 1 liter Fiesta with 15k on the clock for $12k and drive it for the next 10 years at ~43 mpg on regular.

I bought two of them new, they’re good cars with a lovely…

As soon as the EV credit expires you’ll start seeing real price competition. Gm, Tesla and Nissan all have to have factored that in.

They’ll launch a new premium higher capacity version at the original price and sell the old car for 5k less.

They just don’t have the money and R&D capability for EV development even if they wanted to. They can make muscle cars and a good V8 so that’s what they’re doing trying to keep the boat from sinking until someone, anyone, buys them up.

If you look at OE job postings you’ll have noticed GM has been trying to hire hordes…

Have you confirmed that with oil analysis? I can push my clapped out NA OM617 to 5,000 miles on conventional oil no problem. Soot loading it’s my limiting factor.

Tesla killed a 6+ year old design?

NA diesel in production later than the late 90s? Yick.

But it’s a Mustang, it’s not special. They picked the wrong firing order, there are 20 lbs of mass dampers on the transmission and the shifter still shakes like it’s preparing for a moon launch above 7k.

I’m sure they all have problems but I know too much about the kludges on the 350 to ever want one.

My US spec ‘76 Benz makes them look pretty good, but then it was pushing a design first launched in ‘68. They do add quite a bit of heft.

Example (not my car)

If you were looking for something on the order of femoseconds then no. For me it’s quick enough.

Buy a bottle of water. Drink water, cut bottom off bottle, dry thoroughly. Instant funnel.

My insurance right now is a disaster, I’m looking at creative , maybe out of state company owned vehicle, options right now to reduce my costs. Having everything fully insured and on the road at one time is nearly cost prohibitive. I have a clean record but living in Metro Detroit does not help my rates one bit.

It would be my first non manual in 20 years. Plus if it blows up I can always work on fitting a pneumatically shifted race box. One of the nice things about the 4C is that it has a engine and transmission derived from economy car roots, that makes bits far less expensive.

I understand where you’re coming from but I’m going to be putting serious miles on the car, I’m expecting 15k a year. Having a more modern power train where I can put the miles down with zero issue (for an Italian car) is a big advantage to me. I’d much rather a manual but the transmissions don’t seem to be having…

I’ve been looking for a base 4C, they’re almost impossible to find. I may have to have one built if I go that route.

I have a 2nd through 5th car, I don’t need it to be very practical. Insurance also plays a not insignificant role also.

I like the 4C for the carbon tub, the aesthetics and raucous nature. It would be my summer commuter car when I’m not commuting in my sport bike. I don’t have a long drive in.

That’s about 25k above my price range, 60k is about my limit.

M2 or 4C? Decisions decisions. I’ve driven the Porsche offerings and it’s just not what I’m after.

Lift that inside rear!