The Republicans never said anything like that either. What's your point?

If you believe I am wrong, then I am clearly more knowledgeable than you on this matter, because I am right.

I believe it's HR 2682. And yes, I think if liberals could choose between their ideological crusades and funding the government, they'll choose their ideological crusades. That's EXACTLY what they're doing here. They *could* compromise and change or delay Obamacare, but they'd rather see the government shut down…

No, it's not destroying the lives of "countless Americans"... it is slightly disrupting the lives of a VERY COUNTABLE NUMBER of government workers.

This won't be the first time govt has shut down, and it won't be the last. Not even close for both. Settle down, buddy. The FDA doesn't personally inspect all our food, it just passes regulations that the companies adhere to, and yeah, I think we'll be fine for a month or two without any new regulations.

There are three parties involved in a hostage situation:

They're both trying to pass a law. What are the effects of these laws?

No, it's worth 1 vote.

No. That's not what I'm saying. I'll say it again, in different words this time:

That's like if you and I were arguing over a parking spot, and to get your way, you ran into the woods, grabbed a roach, and said, "If you don't give me this space, I'll kill this roach!" From my perspective, there's no hostage situation here, you're just a moron that's under the mistaken impression that I care about…

Yeah, see here's the difference:

Except the vast majority of the country doesn't seem to care (nor should they). That kinda negates the whole "hostage" thing, eh?

Anyone who pays attention and doesn't just listen to the Fox News crowd would see that Obama and the Senate have done nothingbut negotiate with the GOP for the last 5 years.

They're doing EXACTLY what the government was founded to do. The US government was made to be slow, difficult, fragmented, and easily challenged from within and without. That was the whole point.

You are a terrible person for not wanting the government to take your money and give it to other people in the name of "social justice"... Stop being greedy, you've no claim over the money you earned! Anything you've done in your life was because of the government. You owe them everything.

You don't understand why someone who doesn't like the law would like his representatives fight to get rid of it?

WTF are you serious? Nobody's being denied food aid because of the shutdown. Nobody.

It *might* be a hostage situation if anybody was really threatened by a government shutdown, well, you know, other than government workers and politicians.

Actually, a better analogy would be this:

Yes, liberals agree that it is Republican's fault.