That's what I was saying to someone else earlier on. It's all well and good that this could cut out "Bad Guy Gamestop", as that guy kept pointing out, but it also destroys traditions that gamers have always been able to live by; lending games to friends, taking games to their houses for all-night sessions, trading in…

This comment is absolute gold. I was going to reply to him myself but you saved me the trouble, you absolutely nailed it.

They said it carries on from your existing subscription, so yes, it's still paid. Online multiplayer is also still behind the paywall, otherwise they would've said otherwise, because that would've been fantastic news.

I'm not a big fan of this news. It could turn out alright, but so far it sounds pretty bad. I quite like going for 100%/platinum trophies on games, so the thought of having worked for that 100%, only for more achievements to appear, is really quite annoying. I guess it's not too different really, with the 360, the…

Yeah, the PS4 comes with the PSEye Camera as well as a headset in every box.

I get it just fine. Gamestop make money for re-selling games others have made. They are a pain in the ass, but that's only half the story. Gamers will no longer be able to lend their games to friends, they'll no longer be able to take their games to friends houses for marathon all-night sessions, they'll get far less…

Oh, definitely. But looking at their E3 events since 2009, I'm sure you can understand why I'd remain skeptical.

I actually don't think MS will do the same as Steam. Steam have always been open to providing value to their consumers, whilst MS have been adamantly against that, not to mention that Steam have competiton that keeps prices down, while the Xbox is a closed platform, leaving all the power in Microsoft's hands.

Probably! That, and casual Kinect games, we're certainly going to have some Dance Central and Kinect Adventures/Kinectimals stuff in there for those family Christmas presents, they'll certainly count towards the number, even if they leave core gamers facepalming.

Sony must be loving it.

They said all along that this event was for the machine and its features, whilst the games will be saved for E3. I still find it hard to trust that, but that's always been the plan, so we'll have to wait 20 days to find out how that turns out.

I love how Sony's stock has gone up 8% since the event closed. That says a fair bit.

You replied twice and still missed the point? Smooth.

Haha, exactly why I said that a lot of their content felt unnecessary. They crammed some tech demos in there "Just because", which only draggaed the event down, but they still revealed far, far more that's actually aimed at gamers.

I know. I'm aware of all that, but that still doesn't change the fact that a lot of gamers can only afford to buy new games by trading in old ones, and those old ones are now instantly worth less, which would prevent a lot of people from being able to buy new games. This is a problem. Sure, you can go on your…

I'd disagree, honestly. Sony came out with real, live footage of exclusive games, and the only "feature" talk they did was all game-based; Gaikai streaming and Share features. Both of those are there to give more ways to play games, and to enhance the online experience, be it multiplayer or single-player. Microsoft,…

I'd agree. Sony had a lot of content in their reveal that felt utterly unnecessary (media molecule, Square Enix and more), but they came out with good press. This event seems to have left a whole lot of bad press for the machine, and very little in the way of exciting game content.

I'm in the UK myself, and find it impossible to get excited for their media features because they're usually US-only anyway, and even if they're not, I don't buy a games console for TV features. I already have a TV service for that. >_<

If they can do that, I'm sure it'll all work out, but if that's the case then why aren't Microsoft announcing that already and avoiding all this bad press? I remember GameStop talking up the new Xbox a few months back, so you're probably right in saying that they've come to some sort of agreement, but if that's the…

So far, that hasn't happened here in the UK. Games that require Season Passes (same sorta thing) have sold for exactly the same price as usual, even though they'd require an extra fee on top, I've never seen that work out any different. Also, it means that those games are worth less for players to trade in, which…