I know that what we're talking about — rape cartoons — are fantasy, because if it WASN'T then this would be a totally different conversation, and I'd be advocating all sorts of criminal prosecution, not just public rebuke. I'd assume you would, too.

You're conflating critical speech with criminal prosecution again. And I'm not suggesting people should be subject to searches or interrogation to discover their secret fantasies or fetishes, either.

It depends on what you mean by "punishment." Imprisonment? Or criticism? And your use of "thought crime" couches this as a conflict between free speech and oppression, but it's not. All freedom of speech means is that you can't suffer legal consequences for the content of your speech (within established limits —…

Why be coy? Use your words. Do you disagree with my premise that American society is a little too fuzzy on what rape is and whether it's okay? Do you disagre with my premise that that's a bad thing?

Then that's a consistent principle you have, and I respect that. But the producers in the article (and evidently many of their supporters) don't share it — they're hiding behind a phony principle to try to downplay the scale of their own moral depravity. They're saying "yeah, we traffic in rape fantasies, but we're…

Substitute "child molestation" for "rape" in your argument and see how you feel about it.

There's already an established, broad consensus about the threat and impropriety of child rape that there isn't about adult rape. It's argued in media everyday — and sometimes all the way up to the floor of Congess — where the "line" is between consentual sex and rape, or how much of a threat it is. Just look here, at…

How many times do you use sandwiches? :O

You mean the straw man you made up to try to mischaracterize and distract from what I actually said? Yeah, that is a ridiculous debate. So you should stop doing that.

And to me, that is fine, as long as people leave it in the realm of fantasy.

The distinction people are drawing between pedophilia and rape is absolutely meaningless. Do you understand WHY pedophilia's definitely not ok? It's not just because it's icky. It's because children are incapable of providing consent.

But that's bluntly just a half-assed rationalization. They draw a (bogus) distinction between rape and pedophilia. If it was a true principle they held, it'd justify pedophilia movies to them, too.

Is the implication in that quote that wide acceptance of rape is an advanced stage of social progess and sophistication to which he aspires, or did I have a stroke?

It's a great deal more complicated than that when there's not a consensus about whether or not rape is acceptable in reality, or even what constitutes rape, from the fringes of society up to our mainstream media and politics. There must be a policy of zero tolerance until all ambiguity and confusion are extinguished.

Censorship is not ok.

Yeah, I guess I do tend to lump together people who support rape, tolerate rape, find rape funny or sexy, and use rape as a threat.

"Anything illegal is out of the question," Darkcrow said. "We've done fantasy animals and monsters before, but guro, underage, and scat type content is out of the question.

"We have a pretty massive fanbase in the Far East, and this kind of adult content is ingrained into their culture, so we target them mainly with the non-con themes as they understand it instantly," Darkcrow said. "I think Western audiences have quite a ways to go before they becomes as accepting of this theme, but…

piccolo113's right. And keep in mind what the people who are making light of it are actually making light of: rape cartoons. This is a big, ongoing conflict in the gaming community, and that's the central point of conflict: one side thinks violence against women is a very serious issue, and the other side thinks it's…

Say the guys whose cover story — the lie they think lends them credibility — is that you're agitating for better ethics in video game reviews. Your self-unawareness is chilling.