Well I can see we are not going to agree. I'm not being successful at demonstrating the subtleties of how I (one woman who may or may not represent the viewpoints of some other people) can watch how people separate themselves by interests dependent on their gender, and how historically that has been damaging, and how…

We should work to make Jezebel more welcoming to men. Their description as being "for the contemporary chick" and the whole "celebrity, sex, fashion for women" thing bothers me. I mean, it's not like these concerns are only relevant to women, right? Men care about rape culture and which senators support gay marriage.…

Dividing hobbies by people in general and fitting hobbies to genders is different I think. Even if it's true that more women than men like cupcake recipes, to say that's an engendered interest, unchangeable by progress, is to say that men and women can never really overlap in interests. I don't think I'm the only…

I checked it out (despite it being interesting.man.things.) and there is a lot of cool stuff. Do you think they'd mind if I pinned it? I mean, it goes against the efficient division of information but hey, I like to share. Oo, experiment time: Pinning something from manterest and then nailing it back onto manterest…

We all know you're too feminine because you didn't go out and create Manterest yourself. That's how we weed out the fake men from the real ones.

But their point is that Pinterest is not expressly "feminine" and that using it for the "masculine" stuff is not that hard. Oh no, some lady decided she might want tiger lilies at her wedding; better run and create my own "man cave" else I see 40 Ways to Tie A Scarf. Jezebel may be harder to bust into, but I see many…

I was actually surprised by all the discontent concerning thighlights. I've never clicked on it because thighs aren't my thing, but I don't hate it.

Well that bit kind of helps their point. They can say how dumb it is that a Manterest user would seem to be unwilling to acknowledge how a "girl product" could be useful when Pinterest is not a girl product in the first place. Hell, three men created it. On this point, at least Jezebel can say that they are a…

Gosh I think I'll get you to write up all my opinions for me, haha. I've never thought something like thighlights was a woman's way to get back at men for centuries of objectification, but you definitely expressed that more clearly than I did.

I hope I wasn't expressing the tone that I thought mine was the definitive opinion. I like discussion, which is why I posted, and the idea of "what is objectification" is interesting, right?

I loved that reply! I've been wondering lately about the issue of noticing someone is attractive and what to do with that. It's like, "wow they're very aesthetically pleasing; I enjoy their head shape" and then stopping yourself to say, 'Now hey, they're a person and have feelings and aren't I being an awful feminist,…

So Thighlights is the lady-version of Sports Illustrated? I don't think I was initially understanding your comparison of that presumed hypocrisy and their calling out Manterest as a disdainful declaration of Not Girly Pinning.

I can understand the reason why some people would say Thighlights is objectifying men. For my own reasons, I don't necessarily agree. And extending from that, I didn't see the Manterest thing and the Thighlights thing being analogous.

Objectification is not the same thing as, "here's a picture of a person who is pleasing to the eye." There are a lot of abstract ideas attached to it, especially depending on the gender of the person in the picture, which is why I responded to Madison27 the way I did, and I'd like to know how I'm wrong if I am.

I asked a few guy friends and my brother and the consensus was basically, "If I need to research bathroom tile, I'll research bathroom tile when I need it." Meanwhile, I'm just thrilled that I already know what I'm going to buy at Lowe's in six months when I move.

I've found so many nerd kindred spirits! I zoom past all the "i want to be skinny" stuff and luxuriate in the Doctor Who/Sherlock-ness.

I have problems with both the swimsuit issue and Showgirls because they implicitly buy into a lot of conceptions about women that are degrading. A part of sexism's problem is the same one shared by rape culture, where things don't have to be said, they're just common and therefore accepted.

There is a slight difference in that appreciating a women's beauty often is accompanied by a "she's sure to be slutty or dumb" mentality, while appreciating a man's beauty is not often accompanied with looking down on their sexuality.

Never figured I'd be *more* attracted to Jimmy Fallon when he's dressed as a piece of zebra stripe gum, but there it is.