I would personally count the Switch as an 8th generation machine but Nintendo work on their own timeline compared with everyone else.

And for that reason alone, I’m out from now on.

Really? Consoles hold market value do they? So I guess in your world you can still get $479 when you resell a launch Xbox One then?

It has been going on with Xbox since the 360 days. The Chinese gangs were using those ‘free Xbox credit’ phishing sites and social engineering to steal account details. They’d then sell the accounts online for around $10 a pop.

I’m pretty sure that pirated PS4 software (in the traditional sense) doesn’t exist.

You’re comparing apples with oranges there and a smartphone is also pretty much the single most important device that anybody can own these days. By comparison, games consoles are little more than toys.

PC’s represent better value since they are true multi-functional and open devices, they are backwards compatible with pretty much every game ever made and PC games typically cost less so it counters the additional cost of the hardware.

There are reasons to buy a console if that’s all you’re going to use. If you’re only buying one for 1 or 2 exclusives a year then a 2 year hardware life cycle makes it a very tough pill to swallow IMHO.

This is the new normal, iterative releases of improved hardware every 2 years... the old days of the same console being out there for a “generation” / 5-7 years are DEAD.

That’s not true at all. The PS3 was a good deal for a blu ray player at the time of it’s release 10 years ago. When the PS4 and XB1 came out you could already pick up $60 blu ray players on Amazon.

Not being able to afford something and not buying something on principle are two very, very different things.

They’re both guilty of it. Microsoft are just guilty to a higher degree. The PS4 was under-powered at launch but the specs on the original Xbox One were woeful and Microsoft should have known better to market a console in that state.

It’s very simple, I just don’t buy console games anymore. At $60 a pop a want the original intended experience, not some second-rate crap because I’m not willing to spend the largest part of $500 and go to the trouble of selling/trading-in my old hardware every couple of years.

it’s just that other people might be able to have a different experience.

No, bollocks. That principle should apply to PC gaming. It shouldn’t apply to consoles. Home console games are expensive enough that you shouldn’t need to buy a new $450+ console every 24 months just to play them properly.

I didn’t say despise I said dislike. And the reason is that I don’t think it’s a particularly good console. I spent some time with it before it came out, I’ve owned one since launch day and I’ve played a few games a year on it since then so I think my experience qualifies me to make that comment.

Very true. The fact that GoW4 didn’t support full Xbox to PC cross-play was a bit fucking shocking tbh.

So I say it’s a great thing!

That’s a good fucking job because I won’t be buying one, ever. Just like I haven’t bought a PS4 Pro and don’t plan to.

No they didn’t. The financial crisis that affected many of their key markets in the late 2000's meant they had to go for a low price point when they designed the original PS4 and Xbox One. Hence they designed 2 consoles with very low specs and it pissed off 3rd party developers massively.