Joel was never the protagonist in this game, though. 

Having just beaten it tonight (after luckily avoiding all spoilers) I’m curious what were some untrue things packaged with the leaks? It’s sort of interesting to compare. 

I skimmed them and they’re all upset about the character death. It’s like children wrote these fucking things. 

Just popping in to say that just because you don’t like what happens to a character in a story, doesn’t mean it’s a bad story.

Do you not know what “retconning” means? Because the plot of this entire game is based around the fact that the ending to part 1 happened exactly as it did in the first game.

So what was “retconned” exactly?

For as clunky as TLOU can be, the gameplay is still often thrilling and tense as fuck. The sheer number of enemies can get tedious, but man it’s intense.

It’s one line and they all cling to it. That’s how you can tell it’s more about the prominence of queer characters than any “writing” or “story” issues. 

Yeah I don’t get it. Everything that happen in the game makes sense, SAVE for a late game choice Ellie makes. But at least you can understand where she’s coming from.

People are just upset that their fav character dies. I feel that, it SUCKS and was totally brutal to witness, but just because bad things happen doesn’t…

These lines are separated by hours and hours of content. You’re obviously free not to like it, but let’s not be silly about the quality.

IMO Characters are largely well written and believable and talk to eachother like real people, even if you don’t happen to like what they’re doing.

Not even remotely. In fact, the only trans character is referred to using his chosen pronouns by every major character from minute one. And only dead-named once, by an enemy.

It’s not even remotely “all for nothing.” It’s like we played different games. 

It’s not even remotely about her being queer or her suffering for being queer. The game has more queer representation (and treats these characters with dignity - i.e. a trans character being referred to by the proper pronouns by every major character from minute one) than any other AAA title in history.

Having beaten the game (and as a queer man myself) I can confirm that aside from a drunken bigot’s slur, Ellie does not suffer because she’s queer. In fact, the story handles her queerness (and other LGBTQ issues) really well, IMO. 

Seems a bit hyperbolic to call critical reaction to the game “mixed.” I haven’t seen a single review from my frequented gaming sites that hasn’t been largely positive, save perhaps Kotaku’s.

It’s perfectly fine to not like the game, but it sort of feels like you guys are trying to shape a “mixed” narrative that…

As someone who just beat the game, I’d just like to say that as initially uncomfortable having you play as Abby is, there’s a thematic point to it that I found satisfying. The game isn’t the most subtle, but what it had to say worked for me.

That’s a mess I had forgotten about. Though I think at that point, standing vertically was a bit of a specialty use, consoles before that always sat flat, so while it sucked, I am not shocked they would make you buy something else for vertical standing back in ps2 days. 

I have to assume so, though not quite sure how it works as the stand looked notched for vertical standing.

There’s just no way they’re gonna force us to get a diff stand for horizontal, so I’m sure it works both ways somehow.

There is, looks like a center stand:

They showed a horizontal version using a center stand in the end sizzle, thankfully:

I have several family members who explicitly express what great leaders Trump and Pence are and my respect for them has completely and utterly vanished.

To truly believe that, you have to either be lacking in common sense, intelligence, compassion or all of the above.