I started reading automotive journalism at 18 and remember reading and reading about Denise McCluggage, and reading about women race drivers from Shirley Muldowney, Sabine Schmitz, Jessi Combs, and many others and the struggles they faced with the systemic sexism in racing. I hope that someday there is not an issue…

Yep, older genXer here. I remember the switch from full size vans and station wagons to suvs back in the day. I even remember the first 4 door 4runner I saw.

Some bored day in the future I will play on the configurators for this, the landcrusier version, the jeep rubicon, ford bronco, Ineos Grenadier, land rover defender 110 and see which one would be the cheapest for overlanding and then realize they are all out of my price range and go dive my JKU.

I drove a full sized 88 bronco and a full sized 82 jeep cherokee for work back in the 80s and yes they were kind of thought of as trucks. They were treated like trucks that has a back seat under a topper (cap) that was accessible from the front. The old broncos and blazers and 4runners even had removable backs. Only…

Actually off roading something that expensive would be nerve racking.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a2108816/definition-truck-cafe-loophole-critics-say/

My memory says something about a flat floor???

You are 100% correct in your call it whatever as long as it does what you want. I worry that those of us that actually use the utility of our boxy body on frame SUVs with low range will not have any thing to buy in a few years as all the SUVs will be little hatchbacks with lots of plastic fenders.

Yes as was the Cherokee. They did have square-ish tubes in them that kind of acted like frames but were NOT frames. I have worked on and off roaded both.

I honestly do not care. The Wrangler 2.0L is fine compared to the 3.6L.

Creepier but not cheaper sadly. 

My fast and go to benchmark is the slope of the back. In my old head and SUV should be nearly strait up and down at the rear bumper and and at least AWD. Look at historical SUVs. Broncos, Blazers, Jeeps of most models, Suburbans, Explorers, Durangos, 4runners, landcrusiers, xterras, ETC. The lot of them have no real…

If you have not yet watched her 2 episodes of Reservation Dogs. Go watch them or watch them again. They, and she, are fantastic. 

“private company can’t be used to make an end-run around the Constitution” Citizens United would say otherwise. 

cars are privileges not rights.

That seems to be some peoples plan with abortion. 

Well said. It was a few years before our 2015 sonata stopped keeping oil in the engine. 

I wonder how many underaged kids will have to start dads car so he can drive to the liquor store.