Since we’re all in here drawing comparisons:

Yeah, but if you’re actually doing that then you already have the cash to also buy the car- you don’t have this while simultaneously having only $15,000 cash to spend on a car as a general rule. Unless maybe you’ve just walked into a massively high paying job at say a law firm and have taken an extraordinary pay…

I can’t muster up any outrage over this. Rich people are always going to exist and spent more money on fancy things than I’ll ever earn.

If they don’t make an R2T2 pick up that comes exclusively in Blue and White paint, I’m leaving the internet forever.

It can be OK on a new car too - I think. A super futuristic truck with old-timey wear and tear can be cool, I guess.

Let’s think about all this for a second.

I think undiagnosed PTSD is probably a significant factor for a lot of the problems we have with Cops disproportionately responding to perceived risks.  It’s almost like someone who services overseas in active combat should probably go through rigorous evaluation before being given a gun and authority on streets at…

I mean, I don’t think that’s necessarily right. But if you decide to finance something like a new car, you should look long and hard at why you’re doing it, how much your borrowing, and what it’s actually costing you. By way of example (and frankly my own from a couple years ago):

I mean - yes, obviously. Manual transmissions make no sense any longer. Not from a business perspective. I love mine - but it’s foolish to think that they’ll be offered much longer by any mainstream manufacturer.

I agree with all of that. But it seems to be a ton of pushback to that general principle - with a few people on here saying that a Minivan is pretty much ideal for any use case.

Well, again, I’m not talking about Minivans being worse than full sized, three row SUVs. They aren’t.

Now, all those owners can do it hope that by their opposition, Fisker can end them.

I guess. But, I mean, I’ve driven pickups, CUVs, SUVs, sedans, wagons and minivans - and I’m coming, confidently, to the opposite conclusion. Some people, definitely, would be better served by a minivan. But the average family with 2 kids and a dog? Nah. They’re too big and thirsty.

Most of what you’re saying here isn’t a rebuttal and I agree with a lot of it.

I’m a big fan of using the right tool for the job, and for a lot of people that right tool is a Minivan. And I agree - they should be on the road more, and for plenty of people something like a large, 3 row, SUV is simply not going to work as well. I’m with you there.

Yeah - we do. One, like you. And I don’t know how you’re packing, but we’ve taken multiple multi-day trips in our Honda Fit with zero problem. And some of those were actual camping trips which are always going to be more gear intensive than just visiting people. Hell on a couple we took our dog too. No real problems…

I’m not saying you can’t love a minivan. only that they aren’t the objectively ‘right’ answer for most people - the way this site really loves to pretend.

Not even close to being true. Have you driven a minivan? They are absolutely an inferior option for most people and families. Unless you have more than 2 kids or really need to haul a ton of stuff on the regular.

The love for Minivans is approaching the absurd on this site.  They’re great cars - for a really discreet purpose.  I personally think anything under 3 kids and they’re complete overkill.  They’re massive, heavy, vehicles that take up a ton of space, don’t get great gas mileage, and don’t handle much better than an…

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