I agree with all of that. But it seems to be a ton of pushback to that general principle - with a few people on here saying that a Minivan is pretty much ideal for any use case.

Well, again, I’m not talking about Minivans being worse than full sized, three row SUVs. They aren’t.

Now, all those owners can do it hope that by their opposition, Fisker can end them.

I guess. But, I mean, I’ve driven pickups, CUVs, SUVs, sedans, wagons and minivans - and I’m coming, confidently, to the opposite conclusion. Some people, definitely, would be better served by a minivan. But the average family with 2 kids and a dog? Nah. They’re too big and thirsty.

Most of what you’re saying here isn’t a rebuttal and I agree with a lot of it.

I’m a big fan of using the right tool for the job, and for a lot of people that right tool is a Minivan. And I agree - they should be on the road more, and for plenty of people something like a large, 3 row, SUV is simply not going to work as well. I’m with you there.

Yeah - we do. One, like you. And I don’t know how you’re packing, but we’ve taken multiple multi-day trips in our Honda Fit with zero problem. And some of those were actual camping trips which are always going to be more gear intensive than just visiting people. Hell on a couple we took our dog too. No real problems…

I’m not saying you can’t love a minivan. only that they aren’t the objectively ‘right’ answer for most people - the way this site really loves to pretend.

Not even close to being true. Have you driven a minivan? They are absolutely an inferior option for most people and families. Unless you have more than 2 kids or really need to haul a ton of stuff on the regular.

The love for Minivans is approaching the absurd on this site.  They’re great cars - for a really discreet purpose.  I personally think anything under 3 kids and they’re complete overkill.  They’re massive, heavy, vehicles that take up a ton of space, don’t get great gas mileage, and don’t handle much better than an…

Fight Club was about the need to form underground prize fighting rings in order to develop into the hardened, badass, men society is currently lacking.

I have sympathy for him - of course. And his family. But I put him in the same general category of people, as the Titanic sub tourists. People who got way in over their head and paid the ultimate price for a not insignificant degree of hubris.

That’s a good point. I suppose if I was a billionaire designing this thing (and to be clear, I very much am not), I’d probably choose to go with something like an extra large WW2 Sub - a U-Boat, or Balao class sub with a large flat deck fore and aft and a bigger, livable conning tower. Something designed to primarily…

I agree with your second point about why this is impractical. If the operating costs of a superyacht are something like 10% of the value of the yacht per year - I’d imagine a sub would be far, far more. But I’m also not sure that’d be a billionaire from doing it. I suspect it’s the engineering / design required to…

Reason #3,251 - why I like biking to work.  

I don’t know if I’d go two Subarus - one, for sure though. And probably either the Outback or the Cross-Trek. He probably can’t wait until the new Forester is released...

So why the fast wear? It’s a combination of lots of power that can be put down instantly and wild curb weights. But it also comes down to individual driving style, as Sanchez pointed out. “If you drive like grandma, the type of car shouldn’t make a difference,” Sanchez said.

Sure - but that’s why a reasonable, responsible, company will take measured steps and not market their CyberTruck as the ultimate do anything, go anywhere, conquer everything uber-vehicle. Hell - based on the ranges people are getting, their half-cooked release isn’t even good at the very thing Tesla is expected to…

No manual option is devastating. It feels like a really big automotive nail in the stick-shift’s coffin, honestly. The GTI was always supposed to be the fun Golf - designed for and sold to people who like driving.

Come on people - neither the Clubman nor the C30 are wagons.  The clubman has less hauling capacity than a lot of coupes.  And I don’t even know what to say about including the C30... an actual coupe / fastback.  Which is as much of a wagon as the CRX/Z.