Yes, that too

The point you’re getting at? Your first point was that I allegedly said molestation is “fine”. Your second point was that I said he is “fine the way he is”. Neither of which I actually said. Now you’ve got a new point? What, that any discussion of Josh Duggar must expressly condemn molestation, otherwise it’s…

I didn’t address child molestation anywhere in my post. Nor did I endorse any of his actions later in life. In fact, I said “I’m NOT saying that anything he did was right or understandable”.

Actually, I didn’t, at all. I said it’s fine if he doesn’t want to live a married, family life. Reading comprehension?

I certainly didn’t say that it was.

Don’t even try and draw that parallel because that is NOT what I said.

I know what you’re saying, but I don’t think “liking sex” is even the issue. It’s that he obviously doesn’t want to be living the married family life he has.

I agree. And it’s not a defense of him (I think he’s a terrible human) so much as a criticism of the type of culture he was raised in. Maybe he does want to be married, but maybe not so young. And maybe he wanted more options than the limited ones his church and family allowed. Maybe people need to be permitted to…

Yes. What he DOESN’T need is this brainwashing they’re offering to him.

I agree, but again that’s back to his upbringing. He grew up in a culture that considers men to be wicked sex maniacs who can’t help but take any opportunity offered. In an act of self-interest, he takes the “out” that is provided to him - that it was “sin” and “temptation” that drove him to it. And again as an adult,…

As much as I can’t stand this guy, he doesn’t need “treatment”. This is what happens sometimes when your family expects you to fulfill a role that is perhaps not what you want for your life. This guy ISN’T about family values, being married etc. And that’s fine. But the pressure of his family and church’s expectations…

Well the issue is that women’s breasts ARE sexualized in this culture. In some cultures they are not, but in this one they are. I would be all for women going topless in an effort to normalize women’s toplessness in the same way it’s normalized for men. But these women aren’t; they’re playing into the sexualization of…

That’s what I got out of it too.

I don’t have to watch it to be upset.

I think she has good reason to not get over it. Her instincts won’t let her. She really needs to cut and run.

She’s not getting over it. Not one bit. And if she can’t get over it, she needs to move on from David.

I often wonder when watching them what they ever saw in each other. If it was ever different than it is now.

I think it’s a great comparison. I too feel slimy after watching Shannon and David. The key is that Shannon is NOT over the affair and David is NOT going to stop cheating (imo). Shannon keeps saying the affair has been GREAT for their relationship. I think she desperately wants that to be true, but she knows it’s not.

For some reason I’m getting Ben Stiller.

I thought everything up to the last line seemed like valid criticism. I’m not seeing the alleged sexism prior to that...am I missing something? That last line really threw me and was terrible. I suppose the line “It’s great to see a group of four women friends take on the sophistication of THE HANGOVER” can be…