You brought up hybrids, which is an apples to oranges comparison you intentionally used because you realized you couldn’t actually argue further.

The real problem here is you were wrong on all counts, so instead of saying “whoops, you’re right”, you doubled down, moved the goalposts, then tried to cry when I compared…

I’m using the comparable vehicles. Apples to apples there genius.

If the TC had a Hybrid Variant, I’d have used hybrids for all. 

The Transit Connect was alright, but it never offered anything a standard minivan or a full-sized fan didn’t already have. Alas.

Pacifica, average of 21.07 real world.

It shared a platform with the Commanche, so it technically falls under SUV because it shared a truck platform.

Construction defines SUV or CUV.

If it doesn’t share a truck platform or have BOF construction, it’s a CUV, no matter how capable it happens to be.

Same as being a CUV does not mean it can’t be capable.

It’s smaller and handles better, things which just don’t matter to a people mover to most families. The rest is not true. Especially when the Sienna exists.

If it’s not body on frame or sharing a truck platform, it’s not an SUV, period.

CUV was specifically coined for vehicles like this, let’s stick to their designated name and eliminate all confusion.

False.

SUV: A Utility Vehicle based off a truck platform or using a body on frame construction.

CUV: A Utility Vehicle based off a car platform or built using unibody construction.

Most things the ignorant call SUVs were never SUVs to begin with. It’s just become a name manufacturers slap on something to make it sound tough to…

I’m sorry being able to look past gimmicks to see the actual usefulness in a vehicle offends you so.

The Transit blows other vans away in economy real world, rides and handles better, is quiet out on the highway, is easier to maneuver, has better visibility, and has far more utility.

All those things should be…

The lack of power and cramped interior were my reasons for not buying one.

And minivan buyers are reasonable in not giving a shit about handling and caring more about interior comfort, horsepower, and price.

I personally care about driving dynamics, longevity, and interior comfort.

I don’t believe it, I know it.

They have poor reliability because their buyers think vehicles don’t require maintenance.
Under proper care, 3-4-500k miles are easy numbers.

Preach!

The 5's biggest downfall was the same as the Transit Connect: Lack of Power.

Size, fuel economy, driving dynamics are all very real reasons.

The Grand Caravan.

We should have gotten the diesel powerplants from overseas. They regularly see 40+ mpg from those.