They can go on to have a happy and natural life. But from what I've seen in my job working with such families a lot of children with conditions like Downs on the more extreme end or severe physical incapability are just left to fall through the cracks by social services. Care in the Community in the UK has…

It's okay if you don't think Downs is a reason to terminate a pregnancy. It's okay, as long as you realize that women don't (and shouldn't) need you to think that their reason for terminating is a good one in order to get an abortion. How happy, healthy, and relevant could any baby/child/person (let alone a person…

Yeah, talking about the slaughter of already born Downs folks and aborting the pregnancy of a fetus with Downs is two completely completely different things, and the comparison makes me ill. Anytime people invoke Hitler into the abortion debate, as the grandchild of concentration camp survivors, I get pretty pissed…

The Nazis were also opposed to all abortions. What is your point?

Screw you. Just seriously, screw you. Some of us who come down on the side of choice are interested in reasoned debates. See my previously posted comment about the child I am carrying RIGHT FUCKING NOW that has a high likelihood of having Down syndrome.

It's absolutely ridiculous to compare the slaughter or forced sterilization of actual people with the termination of a genetically malformed fetus. Just, no.

No one is forced to terminate a pregnancy that tests positive for Down's Syndrome.

Probably for the same reason they refuse to leave laws governing schools to the education professionals....

Fuck this guy.

I think that advocating for kids with Downs Syndrome and providing support and education about the issue is one thing, but banning abortion if a fetus has Downs is quite another. I personally think it's awful how cruel and judgmental some people are toward women who have babies with Downs. I've heard people talk about…

I actually agree with you, but see, when bills like this are crafted, no one is thinking about addressing the stigmas that cause these eugenics campaigns in the first place. These politicians are not included taxpayer money in their agenda that will care for these unwanted babies once they get here; they are not…

A particularly heartbreaking patient was born with aencephalopathy (being born without a brain).

I agree with you - when my wife and I were expecting our child, we both decided that if it was determined that our child had downs syndrome we would absolutely go through with it. That said, a baby with no brain or missing vital organs is a whole different ballgame. I was adopted, and am now a parent, and I am…

I'll probably regret this, but I'll take the bait. It's about choice. I'm not remotely railing against babies born with Down Syndrome or autism or any other disorders, to be perfectly clear. Yes, those babies can grow up to have decent lives, but not everyone is willing or able to make the sacrifices those children…

No one is saying you have to terminate that pregnancy. If you want to make that commitment, go ahead. But if you are not in the emotional or financial situation to be able to take care of someone for the next 60+ years of their life, because Downs folks need continued care for more than just their mental situation,…

Why aren't laws pertaining to medical practice determined by medical professionals? In medicine, women's health and autonomy are the primary concern, followed by fetal health. Why is medical practice determined by grease monkeys like Holdman, again?

I grew up in Indiana and I'm not surprised. The sex selective thing is particularly evil to include because it isn't even a problem in the US from what I understand. It's included in the bill's language to garner support from people who know nothing about abortion other than they don't like the idea of it. If you can…

Of course he would want to ban abortion due to fetal abnormalities. Then he gets to be the extra sick and twisted person who forces a woman to give birth to a baby that will die soon after birth, is already dead, or will be so disabled that quality of life will be limited. My grandmother was forced to deliver a…

I want to submit a bill that outlaws providing a prostate exam for a person who will go on to have sex with a minor.

Holdman has a special affinity for fetal abnormalities, because he was born without a conscience.