I think Lady Stoneheart is going to be the season finale big reveal. And the storyline will probably be just as disappointing as some others for this show.

You’re arguing with someone that, in other threads, goes on and on how Sansa isn’t really being “raped” because she agreed to get married.

As soon as they had that not-at-all-obvious discussion about how they’d best want to die, and Bronn was all, “I want to die old,” it was the GoT equivalent of the “I’LL BE RIGHT BACK.”

Exactly. And when they get captured absurdly easily, and can’t seem to manage to take down a man with one arm that can’t fight? And then they scream futilely? That scene was just so many levels of bad.

She didn’t start undressing herself. She was fidgeting with her sleeve on Ramsay’s command. She didn’t want to once Reek started watching. I think that the fact that Ramsay started ripping off her clothes is a clue that THIS IS GODDAMN RAPE.

Thank you. This particular comment is making me so angry.

This comment makes me unspeakably sad. So now women can’t be raped if they get married, is that right? That anything and everything that goes down in the bedroom is a-okay because by the simple act of getting married, she’s given up all rights to her body?

In the book I thought she slept with Renly?

Lol. “Marital rape didn’t exist back then.”

See above. Some other commenter is saying it’s not rape because she knew she was marrying him, and all that implies.

Lots of parallels to Cersei here. Both are cunning and calculating, and good when their fathers direct them, but on their own? Self-sabotaging without even realizing it, because all their machinations are to suit their own twisted obsessions. Ramsay with sadism, Cersei with power.

This is the most perfect comment, ever. Encapsulating all our worst fears about this show. Sadly I think we will all be highly disappointed. For all the discussion about how George Martin is a “pioneer” and “shows strong women”, most of the women are simply moronic, power blind, and placeholders for the strong men.

How the hell are you classifying this as not rape? Does she want to have sex with this man? No. Even if she agreed to “marriage”, she sure as hell is not agreeing to having people watch her while she’s being viciously raped, and whatever the hell went down in that bedroom, she certainly didn’t want or agree to any of…

Everyone who plays a game in this is being taught a “lesson”.

I couldn’t watch the end, and just having you describe it is horrifying.

Sorry I didn’t see this in time. I repeated most of what you already said before reading this.

Wait. What happened with Outlander?

While I think the showrunners ARE dicks, mostly because it’s a T&A convention when it’s not meant to be, I absolutely disagree that they made up this whole rapey sequence. George Martin quite intended that Ramsay be this rapist asshole, and instead he threw Jayne Poole at him merely so that Reek could have a heroic…

To be fair, George Martin subbed in Jayne Poole for this scene, for no real purpose other than to give Reek some redemptive arc. Jayne Poole is given so little book time that we’re not meant to care about her or what happens to her, which is in a way worse. I understand why the writers put Sansa here.

I finally watched last night, and since I had a relative knowledge of what was coming (Jayne Poole), I decided to skip it as soon as I saw the direction it was going in.