Agreed, or at least I agree that that was the intent of the screenplay. I think the issue is coming up where the writing (unintentionally) conflates “not able to have kids” with being “a monster” or “inhuman”. Multiple generations of women have fought against the assumption that child-bearing is somehow intrinsic to…

Ehn, I assure you I was paying attention. I think it was either written too obliquely, or edited too much. I do think they made too much of the forced sterilization, and did not focus on the assassin thing enough.

I mos. def. agree that it’s overemphasized, but to me the really troubling thing is that the studio wanted to cut the flashbacks entirely. We came this close to her just saying that she can’t have kids being the sole thing about her backstory in the film. And Feige didn’t see a problem with that. And he’s the one…

I agree with you, all jokes aside, I think additional material can improve on the movie as it is... additional scenes will probably make some issues with pacing and characterization go away.

This is what happens when you only cast ONE FEMALE CHARACTER in a series of amazing movies — she has represent 51% of the population. Imagine if there were TWO female Avengers (oh wait — there is! WHY AREN’T WE TALKING MORE ABOUT SCARLET WITCH??) — then each would represent 25% of the population. Or — and this is…

Yeah, for whatever reason I thought it was from the radiation kind of like how his blood is poisonous.
You know the more this scene gets dissected it was just poorly written all around...

With no background given to “the lullaby” she uses on the Hulk it does look like she’s just exuding magic motherly powers cause no one else on the team could do it.

That was probably the intent, but that was not what was conveyed by the dialogue in the scene. CJA even quoted it. If she said “You think you’re the only monster on the team?” after talking about all the points you’ve made, then it wouldn’t be a problem.

We can talk about that when it’s released. For right now, we’re talking about something that actually exists.

I guess, I _wanted_ to interpret things like you did—but doing so required me to constantly think about Avengers1/cap 2 natasha and project that character on to what I was seeing on the screen in AoU. I wanted to be able to get that from what was presented in this movie alone, not to have to hold up a Natasha filter…

I didn’t remember the red ledger moment with Loki, mainly as I haven’t watched the first Avengers a whole lot, but I can definitely see why that would be an issue. Natasha is a fascinating character when done right (not Ultimate Natasha - she was terrible and I try to pretend Ultimates 3 never happened).

Meredith and Katherine: “There’s been a lot childish tantrums over the Black Widow’s role. Let’s discuss it like adults, shall we?”

I love how the people attacking this POV are ignoring the fact that even the CAST of the FILM are calling the character a “slut” like it’s cool to do that and not hypocritical at all.

/watches 7 or was it 8? seasons of BUffy and 5 of Angel.

I really feel a little editing could fix this problem. Reading the quote, I see it now, but at the time I thought she was 1) calling herself a monster because of her murdery past, and to make Banner realize the Hulk is not the worst thing around, and then 2) saying she can’t have kids so Banner wouldn’t feel he was…

Feminists don’t have to agree with each other. They also have a well known, well defined definition and respectableset of goals, which different ones go about in different ways.

You can speculate on that, sure. What we have is the movie.

Copying from my piece from the other day:

It was so out of nowhere and ‘seventies era sexist’, to borrow a phrase from Whedon. Agent Carter (the show) presented a great background for the Widows - why the hell did this devolve into, to borrow a phrase from Loki, mewling?

So far Lizzie has been average about two kills an episode. I was worried last night that she wouldn’t make her quota, but . . . alas, poor Isabel.

Most chilling line, delivered coolly as ever by Ricci:

“Oh, I think it’s far too late for that.” (Right before setting the unfortunate photographer ablaze.)