It can work. It's just not as effective as other means, takes more work than it seems to (separating the pain from the truth), can backfire explosively, and it's inhumane to the tortured (of course) and the torturer.

They are merging two different stories of the origin of Iron Fist, and doing it badly. One is exactly what everyone expected- that he was the best and was able to challenge because of that. The original story, and the one they seem to be following, was based on the fact that he felt powerless against Meacham,…

Cool link! Thanks! I wrongly assumed you meant the use of him now from the context of your statement. The use of him then doesn't seem to fit what you were saying, but as Mr Rand said, "Only a man can truly know his intent."

That might have worked, if it weren't so jarring after the first part of the show. To go from The Shield to The Last Dragon. Yeah, that's never going to end well.

Marvel wanted to jump on the martial arts bandwagon? This doesn't totally hold up when you then consider the Asian character, Shang-Chi (Master of Kung-Fu) was introduced by Marvel in December 1973, earlier than Daniel Rand /Iron Fist, who was introduced in May 1974.
Several months later, the Japanese martial arts…

I think more because they saw how well the Avengers formula worked. Separate films to get people invested in the characters, then bring them together against a common foe. So they tried to compress that timeline. And JJ it was fine with. She didn't really fight. Same with LC, and it actually made it pretty cool…

That is, indeed what I was saying, taking it in context. Thanks for looking beyond- this short form way of communication does have a way of obscuring that, and leading into rabbit holes that should not be gone down.

Indeed. Though not common, I know a few friends who fell into that category, when they had a classically educated parent.

It wasn't so much a lack of effort, I think, as much as it is that they're trying to strike while the iron is hot (no pun intended). They need to move through mythos and characters to make their ensemble, i.e. Defenders is the TV version of the Avengers. But look at how long that took to get set up correctly. This…

The whitewashing does not predate the show. It is not white-washing as defined. It's something different. It is not putting a white man into a role that was actually written for a PoC. It is a different story, written for a different reason. Is it not good to write different stories? I am not denying that there…

Are you sure that they had homes? Or doors? Or anything? Seems he said a 6x6 room and a mat and blanket. That would have been what he learned over the past 15 years, no?

Making assumptions, eh? Never said matters more. Never even implied it. What I said is that showing that we (PoC) don't need their handouts, and don't need their affirmative action, but can stand on our own, with our own cultures, own values, and own strengths matters more. I've never been given anything in this…

Really? I remember the internet in 2006. It's a lot different than now. It was added to the dictionary as a verb in… 2006. And he was 10, and it seems very sheltered. Don't think it would be his first instinct.

I'm rather glad you went there. You did the same thing to my argument that they're doing to the show. You don't need to read the entire mythos to watch the show. That's not in my statement at all. However, if you're going to go with white washing (which is a misnomer in this case, as the character was originally…

And it's also fairly obvious that they haven't read the mythos, nor know anything about Orson Randall and the link between he and Danny Rand, and the fact that Iron Fist is a title, and that most of them have not been white, but have been whomever is chosen at the time. And he's not supposed to look buff, and didn't…

Indeed it does. But that should be in roles created for the people being represented, not roles appropriated for them. Especially not just for the purpose of having another box ticked. That matters too, just as much, if not more.

I think what one has to remember, is that he was 10 when he went to K'un-Lun, and it only opens every 15 years. And it's 15 years later when we start the series. So his only experience with 'real life' has been from age 1-10. That explains a lot of the naivete. But is a point that reviewers seem to miss.

Seems like he's upgrading them slowly… and to me, that's awesome!

It could have only been better if he'd been asking for TPS Reports :)

Agreed. Killed by hype, more than anything else. People were expecting something groundbreaking, but instead got a decently good game.