Infiniti J30

It has 6 cylinders. It’s smooth and powerful. Nobody in the real world buying a 3 row SUV actually fucking cares how the cylinders are arranged. Discussions like this do very little to abate the perception that 90% of commenters here are pedantic 50 year old virgins living in their mother’s basements.

Enjoy your Grand Cherokee L!

$76k. $76k!? That’s wild for a Stellantis product, especially in that cheap-looking light blue with those tacky black rims. $2k more gets you into a $78k BMW X7 with a silky V6 and a modern luxury interior, and a Germanic (by way of South Carolina) thud to the doors when you close them.

He’s talking about Chinese brands on the global stage, not existing global brands.

100% agree. Especially here in Northern California where we deal with PG&E,a privately held, corrupt monopoly, whose response to the manslaughter of Californians killed in wildfires (directly caused by their faulty equipment), is to just turn off power when it’s windy. So now, not only do we have high energy bills…

I see quite a few in the North Bay with orange yellow lights on the roof for construction companies, also see a lot used for cities/municipal vehicles, and other ones which have branding on the side. And then there are all the Cruise ones in SF.

An almost 30 year old high-performance Audi from the 1990s? Nice price. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

I feel like a lot of Bolts are fleet vehicles, even here in California.

I’m sure it will be a perfectly nice Uber Black next time I’m in London or Paris, but that front end is a mess.

I find it a little odd they want to ignore 70 odd years of brand heritage. Admittedly I call our Range Rover a Range Rover but it’s difficult to ignore the green oval Land Rover badges all over the car and on both sets of smart keys.

It’s very sad that someone died and was injured.

I literally own a Taycan.

Yes, the pre-facelift Explorer from 2010/2011 was very different at the front - that’s not what I’m comparing. It’s specifically the Explorer’s facelift from 2016 which came out 3-4 years after L405 Range Rover that doubled down on the Range Rover styling cues.

They’re not competitors by any means, but the facelifted previous-gen Ford Explorer had complete delusions of grandeur with the full-size Range Rover, right down to the black A pillars, grille pattern, and E X P L O R E R badging on the hood (not the model below), rear lights, and silver trim the rear.

Completely agree on the Stinger. I’ve even seen a little bit of Porsche Taycan / Panamera from the facelifted Stinger’s 4 light bar DRLs when driving towards you.

Assuming this is based on the new Chinese-market Ford Edge?

It’s basic economics though - you can’t fault them for responding to a changing market, especially after their meh IPO. And Porsche is not exactly the only car maker whose prices are higher than 5 years ago. It sounds like you need to form a relationship with a local dealership / sales person, or even a local broker.…

I look forward to seeing an Envista on the road with one of these: