The difference is one is a choice and the other is mandatory. The fact that you take healthcare for granted doesn’t change the fact that if you choose to forego said coverage no one is going to come to your door, your job, or your bank to do something about it up to and including sending you to prison. That’s what…

Are you telling me there’s someone with a single payer plan that will limit my additional tax exposure to something less than or equal to $570.24 in pre-tax dollars?

The average annual premium for people that have employer sponsored health care coverage is $1200. That includes single people, people with families, people with weird dependent situations, etc. It’s an average. It’d probably be even lower if it didn’t include the people you seem to think it excludes. That’s a…

American government is, by design, slow. Companies are nimble when reacting to changes that impact their bottom line. How do you reconcile those facts to do what you’re talking about?

So Bernie Sanders’ tax plan was projected to create somewhere between 13 and 15 trillion dollars in new tax revenue for fun?

I think the point was pretty clear. A lot of people are going to end up spending more than they get in return and that tends to make people uninterested. Progressives need to stop pretending this is some sort of giant class battle when in reality it’s a shitload of individuals looking out for their household’s bottom…

The average annual employee premium for someone obtaining health insurance through an employer is 1200 dollars per year. It is not 6000.

You lost me here.

I am aware of the actual statistics on the distribution of healthcare expenses in this country. I’m aware of the fact that they’re wildly unequal and the top fifth of spenders account for around 75% of the expenditures, the top five percent accounts for half, and the top one percent account for twenty percent.

What are you talking about? When did a Democratically controlled house pass single payer legislation?

If you spend 101k on healthcare and 99 other families spend 1k each what is the per capita spend for healthcare in that hypothetical population? 2k.

If it were possible to fund single payer in a way that guaranteed that everyone would spend at most a dollar less than they currently spend then we’d have single payer already.

If the slant has changed it does not appear to be translating to actual wins. Establishment Democrats are by and large winning their primaries on the road to November. There was literally an article posted here yesterday about it.

So the math works out for you. It doesn’t for the people that actually have to fund the damn thing. Why is that so difficult for you guys to process?

The difference between what I currently spend on healthcare and my tax liability under Sanders’ plans did not work out in my favor and it wasn’t even remotely close.

Anyone that cares about Medicare by virtue of depending on it should be interested in seeing its expansion.

The federal government does not tax wealth; it taxes income. The top 1% do not have 39% of the income and their share of the tax burden is already disproportionate.

Bernie Sanders’ tax plan raised taxes on literally all income groups. It wasn’t just “taxes on the rich”. The increase on the top few percentile groups was the highest percentage-wise but increasing the tax burden on middle class households by thousands of dollars is not what “free” looks like.

I’ve seen this argument from at least a few economists so I do not totally discount it but the condition it hinges upon is the dollar’s position as the reserve currency for the rest of the world. If that changes then the US can most definitely reach a point where it becomes unable to pay its debts.

Please elaborate on how a country that can’t even fund its retirement insurance program is going to fund a single payer healthcare program without raising taxes.