Oh but then if I go to the SWAT franchise, I can't come on Kotaku and bitch about R6 totally rejecting it's roots and being dumbed down for the console crowd. ;P

See above.....I liked the small scale nature of the "swat scenarios".

Yes I have played those games.

I really don't get it. There are still many games getting made that involve a lot of brain power by the player, but just not in the shooter genre.....

I doubt it. Have you seen the video on Game Informer? No way this is a tactical shooter or anyway near it. It's just going to be a bunch of cliched characters in a plot with shallow treatment of complicated themes, all delivered in shooting gallery cinematic experience gameplay.

"Branching Levels Driven By Moral Choices Could Be Rainbow 6’s Secret Weapon"

Yeah driving didn't bother me, but if I was to be given the option of a more realistic driving model I would take it. It is very floaty, but I suspect that it's a bit 'cartoony' because so much AI driving is integral to the game.....and making it perfectly like a simulator would either make it too hard, or perhaps too…

Did many really loath it? I think there was a backlash from people who either didn't get it or couldn't ignore it's flaws, and lots of people seemed to want to let the world know it wasn't "all that", but I reckon you're very much not alone in appreciating it.....

Yeah, I just was pointing out what meatbag said out to you, but it seems like you've thought about it even more that I have.

hahah, no need to talk about unfair examples, I'm simply venting, not trying to prove a point or win an argument.....try and imagine me getting frustrated at the PC version (supposedly the 'better' version to look at and play) and then being forced to play the 'inferior' PS3 version with the echos of the conversation…

Isn't that somehting that might get your EA account banned?

Sorry dude, but I'm revisiting this discussion out of frustration , not petty vindictiveness. (hope you see it that way :P )

Oh I see what you mean. Funnily enough I bought a PC version too, but it was unplayable when I booted it up the first few times (unless I lowered the settings so much it looked worse than the PS3, and even then it lagged horribly online) - but I thought it was my PC that was the problem.

Nothing is "fundamentally" broken to me.

I agree. Training mode my ***.

You're not the only one....I haven't had any more connection problems than I had with BC2- which was minimal and not enough to bitch about on the slowest of online debate days....

I agree. The online connection issues seem to be too much of a theme in this "review". I haven't had enough problems for it to be one of the things I think about when telling my gaming mate (who reviews games so is waiting to get his free copy which is caught up in the mail) about the game.

You say that, but there a lot of games out there with reasonable fan bases that require more concentration, planning and thought than modern day shooters.....I reckon people who would like more cerebral/tactical shooters have simply been driven away....not that they don't' exist in decent numbers......

I wish I had the writer's problem.....

I guess appreciating Vimeo's "snobbishness" is a double edged sword. It's great until you fall on the wrong side of what they think is "cool".