Yes I read and responded to your posts. You, on the other hand, have not responded to my questions. You want to include suicides along with murders in conversations about gun control. Suicide and murder are drastically different events, one voluntary and one not, and you offer no differentiation on gun laws to prevent…

You don’t seem to understand that suicide is not caused by owning a gun. Half of all suicides in the US don’t involve guns. I’ll bet you 99% of all suicides in Japan don’t involve guns. That logic is ridiculous and easily proven wrong as I have already done. Please tell me how banning hi-cap magazines will prevent…

I didn’t say that nor did I imply that. But you tell me what law will stop people from killing themselves if they want to. So gun ownership is the primary reason people commit suicide? See how dumb that sounds?

I think we are all agreed on protesting violence and hate in all forms from anyone. It does achieve a certain effect but not necessarily the way we want to achieve it.

When you include suicide and accidental death the numbers do change. I’ve never said otherwise. But it is a false equivalency to include suicide with gun murders. You can read my response to another poster in which I show how suicide rate and gun ownership numbers do not track across the world. There are countries…

Yes I am not including suicides. Including suicides is an anti-gun tactic used to inflate gun deaths. However, when you look at gun ownership, gun laws and suicide rates around the world there is little consistency to make a declaration that more guns equal more suicide. Japan has virtually no civilian guns and a…

that make semi-automatic guns fully automatic

a great example of someone just openly gaslighting the world

No that’s just it. Those states I mentioned have lower, by a lot, gun murder rates while having higher gun ownership numbers. And none are above the national average of murder/manslaughter including Cali, though at 4.8 it’s pretty much a statistical tie.

Per capita rates are certainly one way to measure murder but in a state that has some of the toughest gun laws you would expect there to be far fewer murders. My whole point is that the numbers are all over the place.

It’s over because your argument is invalid. You’ve proven nothing. And where are these “Shooting Schools” you refer to? You make it sound like this is a major source of illegal guns, which I can tell you it’s not. I showed how your assertion that guns are stolen is a myth, so stated by an expert at the ATF.

Cite your sources. The rate of suicide in the US is somewhere between 25th and 35th in the World depending on the year. Trying to narrow it down to suicide by handgun is cherry picking the stats. The fact is, you don’t need a firearm to commit suicide and plenty of other countries can attest to that fact.

And you’re unable to offer up any sort of reasonable, much less polite, rebuttal. Look at my face, do you think I give a shit what you think?

I’ve bought several houses and never once had a background check done. I’ve had credit checks but there’s no government requirement for a background check to buy a house. And what’s with the insults? You’re only making yourself look stupid.

Uh no shit Sherlock. But you know the different between murder and suicide? One if voluntary and the other isn’t. Now why don’t you go fuck off? PS - if you think guns are the primary reason for suicides then explain why a country like Japan has a slightly higher suicide rate than the US and has virtually ZERO guns in…

Not a silly argument. Per Capita assumes that everyone, children, babies, invalids and everything in between is capable of murder. That’s a false assumption.

This article refutes those assertions (ps - I can’t read your article without subscribing). Here’s the opening paragraph which pretty much captures the point.

Nope, I didn’t say that at all. That’s what you inferred. What I was responding to is your assertion that somehow not requiring permits was analogous to giving guns to criminals (domestic violence). The point you missed is that you can require permits all day long and it will not prevent criminals from seeking out and…

It is still illegal to sell to a prohibited person, license or not.

Talk about weak ass arguments! Comparing property rights to gun rights? First, do you need to get a background check done to buy property? Are my rights, as a legal property owner, being restricted in some way, like I can’t buy certain types of property or I can’t buy property over a certain size, is there a waiting…