Sigh. Me afraid me have to agree. And me loved Zack’s reviews of earlier Trek series — they one of favorite things AVC ever did. But me very frustrated with Star Trek fans who not willing to let new show be new show and not retread of everything that came before.

I get why people are frustrated with the show, and your review touches on some of what I consider to be the strengths and weaknesses here, but when a reviewer comes right out and says they cannot review a show on its own merits, I am forced to wonder if they’re the right person for the task.

I have a lot of respect for…

By the time you have one of the titular protagonists of the show giving apparently sincere speeches about how hard it is to be smart,

I’ll give you the Ricklantis Mixup, which is a genuinely superb episode of television, plus maybe the first episode and the Jerry/Rick episode as solid outings. But this season kinda sucked. Last week’s episode was genuinely the worst of the entire show - Rick and Beth’s ‘heart-to-heart’ bit was like fourth-rate…

Obviously it’s nowhere near being Star Trek level good, but TNG was even further away from being Star Trek level good in its first season.

I wouldn’t say the Orville is serialized (at least not yet) but that it has continuity between episodes. TOS didn’t, but TNG did; especially in its later seasons. Serialization is one (too) long story stretched over multiple episodes where none of the episodes make sense on their own which excludes viewers who want to…

That’s my biggest gripe with the series. The dialog and jokes are complete misses for me, they could really use some stronger writers in those areas. And more Norm Macdonald.

I mean no disrespect but think you´re trying to convince yourself The Orville is a drama because it fails at being a comedy. The problem with this show for me is a that it´s not a new or interesting premise. Star Trek serious has been done and is being done on Discovery. Star Trek silly is Galaxy Quest. Seth McFarlane…

The people and their relationships matter, something that Trek really didn’t get into the way that they do here.

What exactly do people want out of this show?

Meanwhile, critics give Star Trek Discovery 85%. Audiences? 45%.

I’m getting very sick of people delineating what does and does not constitute an “actual fan.” It’s a cheap way to dismiss the opinions of people who don’t like the same stuff you do, or like different aspects of the same things. Also, there’s no need to put the word “professional” in quotes, as the reviewers on this…

I still find the show mostly kind of boring. The jokes (when they appear) never seem to land and feel out of place, and MacFarlane’s obsession with current and recent American pop culture makes absolutely no sense in the context of this show. I wanted to like this, and I may give it a couple more episodes to see if it…

Whatever dude. Orville is Big Bang Theory level comedy, Discovery is damn fine television. The masses are idiots.

It’s mediocre fare. It’s fair to call mediocre fare ‘mediocre’.

What i wanted and expected was aware of the failutes of TNG, and redressal of same, not homage and repetition of same.

As a teacher of mine said, “if you set out to copy a great performance, you can never be anything better than second-best.”

What do I expect from this show? Something fun and interesting. Something as much a product of its times as TNG was a product of the 80s.

And its silly to copy an 80s show, beat for beat, like…

“Obviously it’s nowhere near being Star Trek level good”

It’s a shittier version of something we all know and love, it’s invited the comparison and it’s paying for it. This is maybe as good as some of the clumsier seasons of TNG, and as such it’s getting the grades and the commentary it deserves.