Well, they will probably have a clearance for new models on the final model year. You could get a good deal for one at the same time too if you were so inclined. 

And if people always did what they should we’d all be a lot better off, but they don’t. 

Lol you can have em

Well, that seems like a fair assessment. And no the people I mentioned aren’t much of anything. 

I’d only drive a Mirage if it were free. And I wouldn’t care if someone destroyed it while it was parked.

Second vote for the accent in my comment responses! I’ll have to brush up on it (I usually disregard it for Honda/Toyota) - did you own one and if so can you speak about how well it did?

I know the plural of anecdote is not data but I don’t really give enough credit to the average American to be that pragmatic about it. Maybe you see this all the time, but I don’t. Both of our sample cases are flawed if they are deriving from personal experience. Basic microeconomics models don’t hold up to a culture…

There are both good and bad customers and good and bad salespeople. I agree that if you saw it rationally the two tiers up is a big barrier. BUT, if you are haggling monthly payment, if you drove it and you liked it, if you went in with this no matter what your financial situation was, if you are at a high pressure…

Let’s get you out of the greys here if I can.
I recall the days when cheap new cars were 5k, then 10k, then 15k, now 20k. 

Well damn. Sir, I appreciate that.

I felt lame and stupid and didn’t feel like I belonged there or was Oppo enough. I don’t know if that’s really true but that’s how i felt. 

There’s nothing really wrong with an Encore. I visit GM dealers semi regularly and I sat in one and checked it out. They seem to be hardy little cars/crossovers/what have you.

SOMEONE BUY THIS MAN’S FORTE STAT

Do you talk to car salesmen? I do on a regular basis and many of them believe that most of their consumers can’t do math. People will walk in with terrible credit ratings, go super upside down on their loan, and don’t understand that if they owe on their trade in it doesn’t get forgiven for free.

I was going off 2019 numbers, if you do the math there what I said still makes sense.
The HR-V sold nearly 100k in 2019. It’s STILL more expensive and selling well anyway. Comparatively to Fits, Civics, HR-Vs, and CR-Vs are still selling like mad, so why would they keep making Fits? Dealers have told me they make…

Yeah, why not both. I have no idea why Honda makes certain decisions they do, but this one specifically seems demand driven.

I drove it and it’s not bad. Too bad the XSE model is nearly 28k out the door. But I like this suggestion most of all. I just wish there were still cars in the 17-20k new market worth suggesting. 

I don’t think it has nothing at all to do with Fit sales.
I’ll give you that the Civic and HR-V are probably cannibalizing sales away from it, and that’s significantly a bigger factor. 

As a Korean expat I’ve always been leery of recommending Hyundai without reservation. The sales and ownership experience are still mixed bags for lots of people with the satisfaction rates going up over time.

I own a Veloster now and I can point to several warts that I don’t like about it but overall it has been a…

Yeah, I might switch over to the HR-V or maybe just send them to a new Corolla. Who knows. The days of saying “just buy a Fit” are over.