Wrong, illiterate.

You know what, I really thought you wanted a discussion there for a second and now I realize that you’re just picking and choosing pieces of what I’m responding to critique no matter what I say. Go ahead, I’m done here. I don’t think you even read it. Serves me right for thinking I could have a discussion online.…

I don’t like liars at all, especially liars that get people innocent of the specific crime in trouble.

I’m actually trying to address your original point! Your question was extraordinarily vague and broad, which is why I asked for a concrete example.

This wasn’t the point of my question, but you actually haven’t. Not only has Franken been “forgiven” by a lot of people, there are a lot of people, very influential people, who think there is nothing to forgive!

then what is even the point of this conversation?

I googled her just to be sure - She’s still around - half hearted apologies aside (another commonality with this guy up top) - but it was noted that she has a history of this stuff, as so many people like her do. It kind of tanked her career but she’s slowly pushing her way back into the industry now that she is out…

Whuf. I went to bed and woke up to 20 notifications about this one topic. Well, take a look at Al Franken. His Senate career was obliterated after he was accused of assault. I’m not going to say anything about the circumstances of the assault himself or whether or not he deserved to resign. I don’t like sexual…

A legitimate money-or-action-where-your-mouth-is atonement I would probably take very seriously. Obviously, that didn’t happen here. Public shame at bad behaviour typically is not a self-awakening.

It certainly did sound empty and bullshitty. I don’t expect this guy to really receive much sympathy for how he acted. I was just curious as to how we should approach people with genuine apologies and penitence, because I care about how we treat those people far more.

Very true. Little if no ownership at all, just a kneejerk backtrack. 

If your hideout supplies Muddy Buddies I support this 100% 

That’s why I opened with that this was only marginally related to the topic at hand. I don’t expect this apology to do much, but it does bring up the question as to what kind of apology would pass muster.

I know that is what is done, but I’m primarily asking what should be done, what threshold is good/better/best, how would the process look, how long would it take. It’s clear that the internet already shits on everything.

Did anyone forgive Paula Deen yet? I ask only out of curiosity, I don’t need instructions on how to eat butter.

I like to say as a parent that I “Coach Constructively.” It seems like you do the same. 

Groveling seems pretty appropriate in this case not gonna lie

So, only very marginally related to this, what type of penance is appropriate for people who commit massive social gaffes before we can recognize their regret as legitimate and start a reconciliation process?

WELL LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID I BELIEVE YOU’LL FIND IT REALLY MAKES YOU THINK

I’ve done my own taxes a number of ways with a number of different income levels and vectors, and while I’ve done ok, every year I don’t do it alone my accountant finds something that I’ve missed that saves me more than what he charges, so I feel kind of justified getting help.