No, they can sell to a nice German family, the Porsche-Piëch family in particular, with little to no fuss. As they are already working on trucks together, why not just hand over the reins to a group that understands the industry, plans long term, and is willing to embrace change whether they like it or not.

I am actually 57, not as old as you might think, and very healthy, but I am not waiting for a vaccine. I am not saying full stay at home, either. But I am not advocating stopping social distancing, and keeping only the essentials available. You are advocating full reopening, which is stupid. Full Stop. Stupid. You…

Again with this magical herd immunity as an instant cure.

So why in the fuck did we shut down to begin with? Why even try to mitigate a disaster? By your thinking, just let everyone get COVID-19, let the weak die, and let life go on calmly for everyone else, with no disruptions to your perfect life.

True, and thank you for pointing that out. In the context of answering the OP, I called it successful for Sweden when it really is not. They made a choice based on Swedish philosophies that do not mirror those in the USA, but at least they had the social safety net of socialized medicine to cover for those who did get…

Sweden was successful because of 2 things. One, a much smaller population, and two, they tend to be a bit more responsible individually than any American would ever be.

It does have to start slowly, and new cars and trucks are pretty far down that line.

So much stuff has been triggered, and this is possibly the time to make a wholesale change to a lot of things.

Yeah, as long as a shit-ton of people die, we’re all good to go.

But even in the worst of (normal) times - most people DO repay those loans. And with NO access to credit (which is the alternative) their lives could very well be even worse.

Well, we don’t sell cigarettes to kids, because they don’t know better. We don’t sell medications without a doctor’s prescription, because we aren’t smart enough to just buy what we need. We don’t sell liquor to underage folks. We stop a lot of sales to people for a lot of reasons, and offering ridiculous loans at…

Bullshit, and you know it if you are benefitting.

Actually, there needs to be a simple change by the airlines that will save a lot of time and effort in boarding.

I am afraid that you don’t see that you are the person most are disparaging here. You are over 60, a Boomer, and lusted after what appealed to you in your youth, and bought one. Honestly, I am happy that you have a bike that makes you happy, but it is no different than Grandma in her cushy Buick. It was what she…

I understand that, but you do realize that you represent about 0.00001% of Harley riders? Your point is valid, your decision to own one is a valid choice, but you are probably a lone outlier out of all the people who have purchased a new Harley in the last 10-15 years. You bought one IN SPITE of it being a HD. Most…

This.

This, a thousand times over. I was just the reverse, a southerner raised on grits, only to be served polenta and realize that it was the stuff I had been eating for breakfast my whole life.

Musk is to Tesla as Donald Trump is to the Trump Organization. The comparison between Musk and Trump is unmistakable. While either corporation may continue to exist without the current leader, it would be a very different company. Trump and Musk are “the Brand”. People bought into the Trump real estate ventures just…

I wonder if this whole lockdown is going to have more of an effect than originally anticipated.

Agreed. And put the douchebags doing stupid shit on any public road in jail, or chain them as spectators of people in Mustangs leaving car shows and just let the mayhem begin.