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Holding artists responsible for creating unethical work is not the same as censorship. That’s like saying calling someone an asshole for using the n-word is censorship.

There are some things that are just not acceptable in polite society, and you’re free do to them, but you’re not free from criticism.

That’s why I do it.

Right, but those idiots are presumably expecting the server to do it for them, because they’re lazy assholes.

It’s possible she tipped in cash; I usually do. But I write “cash” where the tip goes and also write my total, because I’m not a lazy asshole.

I only accused it of being two out of the four.

And yes, I suppose it is down to opinion. But I think the people disregarding the argument for denouncing this work is part of the problem. We need to stop speaking for, and speaking over, minorities. And we need to stop dismissing them when they tell us we’ve done

Plagiarizing other people’s work.
Cultural appropriation.
Improperly using hazardous materials,
and creating things that are racist, sexist, ableist, and homophobic.

Sure, but it goes beyond other people not liking it. Certain art practices are unethical.

Real tired of this argument. Once again, I’m not saying they can’t do it. I’m just saying it’s unethical to speak over minorities, and more than likely will result in shit art.

Seriously, why can’t white people just learn to take a fucking seat? Yes, you can appropriate the image of a dead black boy for your “art.”

I never said it should be removed or destroyed. Don’t put words in my mouth.

I only said I don’t think it’s good art. I do think it should be removed, or rather never should have been put into such an institution, but only because it’s not good. And I don’t mean “good” as in “I don’t personally like it,” I mean it

I did not say “universally loved,” I said “widely accepted.” Of course there are always detractors.

And Goya’s work you’re referring to was a political protest against the violence taking place in France and his own country. That’s not at all the same thing as a white woman painting a dead, beaten black boy because the

As an artist, I think it’s empathetic to say “I am not the best person to portray this issue,” and instead support my fellow artists with voices that need to be heard above those of my own and my fellow white counterparts.

I think it’s selfish to say “I have no experience with this issue but I’m going to make art about

Yes, because what we need is for people to look at thing differently; to look at racism and police brutality through the eyes of a white women. That’s totally different from how they’re already looking at those issues, right?

While I generally enjoy Dana Schutz’ work, this painting wasn’t effective in anything but creating controversy. As I’ve already said, it just lacks insight. White women have nothing to teach us about what it’s like to suffer racism.

.....like what? You can’t state that as fact without listing at least one example. What is one work of art that is widely accepted by both critics and the people it represents?

Yes, but white women do not live with the constant fear of their sons being shot down by the police.

Sure. They can, but can it be good? Even if it succeeds without offending the people whom it’s intended to represent, can artwork created by someone without any personal insight into the subject be good?

Can a cis man write a good, insightful story about what it’s like to be a woman?

While I agree the issue you’ve

There’s a reason writers are told to write what they know, and artists are told to draw what they see. Without any personal insight, the art suffers. Not only does it risk being offensive, but it’s also just not good.

There’s a difference between speaking out about something and making art about it. There’s a reason art professors tell their students to draw/write what they know. For example, men can
make good women characters (however rare they may be), but they’ll always be lacking if they try to tell stories about being a woman.

Yes, but the question people are asking is whether or not a white person can portray these images with proper sensitivity and whether they should because of the simple fact that it’s not their story to tell.


How do you not see the hypocrisy? We should be nice and accept your beliefs, but here you are calling us an insult to our parents? Why don’t you take your own advice? If it costs nothing to be nice, why can’t you do it?