So a friend of mine went to film school with one of this episode’s writers. Since before this show even started airing, she was livid that this guy was hired because in film school he would make fun of her for liking Star Trek because he thought it was so dumb. She warned me that the show would be called Star Trek,…

I am so done with this show.
I’m a sucker, so I’ll probably watch to the end of the season out of stupid curiosity, but no real interest.
They decided to ape pay homage to one of Trek’s greatest moments, Spock’s death in STII, and they end up with that half-baked scene? Hell no.
They’re using Saru as a total weathercock…

Lorca saying “fuck” during some sort of hell yeah moment would have been trying to be edgy. The little red-haired girl saying it in a moment of giggling joy is pretty fun.

I thought the defiant was a glorified shuttle?

No, not at all.

- I think it’s funny that CBS is trying to show how the pay service can be edgier by inserting a couple of “forbidden” words into the dialogue.

Mention upthread is made of Nick Meyer’s involvement.

Aha, you’ve solved it! That must be why Spock never mentioned her! He never forgave her for swiping his book!

Even better, Burnham reciting Alice is a deep Trek continuity nod. The fact that Amanda was fond of Lewis Carroll and read the Alice books to her offspring was established in The Animated Series: “Once Upon a Planet” by Len Janson & Chuck Menville, when Kirk expressed surprise that Spock was familiar with the…

It should, GR retconned TOS with TMP era, so we have to remember DSC is more of a pre TMP era than having anything to do with TOS.

Perhaps their spiritual deficiency in humility and compassion corrupted their logic.

Yeah but that’s the writers setting up a situation where “you have to make the hard choices” which has basically become code for doing something scummy for the sake of safety/defense, i.e. the kind of logic that leads to black sites and torture chambers in the real world. And “The only thing these people understand is…

She continues to be wrong in the second half. The show also continues to have a giant trumpian boner for preemptive violence.

It took this show 2 hours to do something that could easily have been wrapped up in 44 minutes on tng, probably with a subplot about data learning about humour.

First half was okay, but ending the one preview episode on a cliffhanger made me a pretty firm “no” on going All Access. Bit of a shame, seemed to some cool stuff, a bit weird to have your first episode be either A) your protagonist being wrong for an hour or B) suggesting that pre-emptive violence is a good thing,…

If nothing else, the show understands the most important rule of Starfleet: anybody above the rank of captain is completely useless.