(here comes the old man) It wasn’t obscure at all when I was a wee lad. If someone referred to “cheesecake” and it wasn’t around such cake or followed up by a recipe, we knew instantly that the speaker was referring to a female pin-up (guys’ pin-up could be called “beefcake”).

I am not “making fun of the victim.” It comes straight from Whedon that harassment from feminists didn’t force him off Twitter, which is what the parenthetical “actually didn’t” in that quote refers to.

The difference is that when it happened/happens to women, nobody gave a shit but feminists. When it (appeared to, but actually didn’t) happen to Joss Whedon, it was presented in the mainstream as some major indictment of feminism.

The Avengers have more stable attendance than Whedon’s social media history.

Actually I would have deleted this post had Kinja allowed me to. I’m not the fangrrl or boy Totalimmortal85 clearly is, and his objections to the adaptation of canon don’t matter much to me. But they clearly matter to him, and I’m not adding anything to the conversation beyond a reflexive defensive of Mr. Whedon, who…

Joss Whedon is a lot of things, but “bad writer” isn’t one of them. Your nits notwithstanding.

Fair enough, opinion and “fact” often need to be kept separate.

Hm, well, point. But I think pretty much all the characters in AoU were cardboard - all the character development was so tropey, particularly Hawkeye’s and that’s the one everyone raves about. And it doesn’t resemble the Hawkeye I know from the comics either. Also Quicksilver was her twin and they went through a lot…

If it weren't live action only Conroy would walk away with the title.

I know he hasn’t donned the suit himself, but Kevin Conroy is the best
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True. But in AoU, Tony sees Ultron as the policing program that could bring an end to global conflict and the need for the Avengers. Could he see registration as a way to ensure people like the Hulk, who he already has sophisticated contingency plans for, from lashing out and causing major problems? Could they use…

I dunno, though. Will Cap agree to registration? He distinctly states in Winter Soldier that he feels SHIELD has gone overboard with surveillance. They planted that seed ages ago. He’s clearly a fan of freedom. I still think their stances make sense in the MCU.

I had heard a rumor that Tony was using old AI work his dad had done as the basis for Ultron. Even that could have laid the connection to Pym had, in Ant-Man, Pym had been seen working with Howard on the early Ultron AI.

Well, to be fair, we don’t know how closely Civil War will follow the comic story. Age of Ultron clearly took next to nothing from the comic book event of its namesake. We all just assume CA: Civil War will clearly align with the comic story, but we have no proof of that.

Dude, calm down. I know there is a ton of comic book lore that was dismissed for this movie, like EVERY comic book movie ever told. A 2-2.5 hour movie simply can’t compete with decades of plot development. Ever.

I dunno. I understand the cause for Civil War was different in the comics (it’s actually being handled well on Agents of SHIELD), but AoU at least showed that not everyone on the core team sees eye to eye 100% of the time. In that case, I think they laid that ground work “officially” pretty well.

Right. The hex thing was a buffing/debuffing ability that made her a crucial member of the team but wouldn’t translate to movies at all. I’m going to ignore Ultimates Scarlet Witch entirely because everything I’ve read about her sounds...distasteful. Still, the MCU made her a Phoenix/Green Lantern mix. That made no…

You’re right; I forgot about the referenced gun scene. That makes his fate totally stupid.

He did the gun thing in the movie!

The one-liner thing is why I think Wheedon is overrated. All of his characters talk the same way and have the same sense of humor. It’s jarring how “different’ the characters are (particularly Black Widow) when they are out of the individual movies and in the Avengers.