"I have had it happen where I have straight up asked a woman on a date and had a series of rainchecks and make-up dates arranged and cancelled until i'm finally told that she is not interested."
"I have had it happen where I have straight up asked a woman on a date and had a series of rainchecks and make-up dates arranged and cancelled until i'm finally told that she is not interested."
That's near verbatim what I learned, as a woman, when I was an awkward girl - that nobody was going to coddle me into learning how to relate to men better.
"I've been led on in such devious ways..."
The spelling and grammar made this one confusing, but are you seriously trying to say that it's a woman's responsibility to respond to a guy's feelings before he's expressed them?
"It's silly to be afraid of a physical attack." - Person who has never been physically attacked
Or he could be creepy. Or he could be a rapist. Or he could be a serial killer.
Well I did say it was going to sound hypocritical =/
I don't doubt that it goes both ways. I have a lot of sympathy as an awkward person myself, but you can't seriously doubt that both the rate and extremity is higher on our side. It's hard to find hyper-specific data, but just compare the crime rates for violent crimes generally, or of domestic violence specifically…
His reasons for not being direct are irrelevant to the point: The guy can't hold it against the girl for not directly telling him she's not interested if the guy never directly tells her that he wants to go out with her in the first place.
Did you read the article. The guy followed her around and then waited until she left and tried to leave with her. That is well beyond being awkward while learning how to socialize. If you do not know that following a woman is creepy then you need to not go out in public.
Well yes, shyness/awkwardness is the problem 90% of the time. And it's not her responsibility to deal with. No one is saying all of these Nice Guys are horrible people, but an understandable fear of saying "Hey, I like you, want to go out some time?" and raise the possibility of rejection DOES NOT MEAN it's okay to be…
Some of them do physically attack.
Look, I've been on the other side of this with nice girls that I liked, but wasn't attracted too. No one wants to be a jerk, so before being blunt you always try to use non-blunt messages to make your point. It's always a risk that the person (no matter the gender) will be oversensitive and respond poorly to even…
The whole wait a month thing can be cut down if you just straight up ask them on a date. Like immediately. Not after a time consuming and emotionally draining process that is in all likelihood only going on in your head.
This is the internet, people judge, hard. They're often dicks about it, and often unjustified. But at the same time, just because it's not someone's fault that they're coming off as creepy doesn't mean they aren't coming off as creepy.
In the case being described, Mr. Nice Guy never gave an opportunity, as he never directly told her that he was interested, nor did he ever directly ask her out. Instead he went the passive-agressive route of trying to monopolize her time and hang out. And in the even that the pursued ever does say "Hey, I'm not…
They arent being attacked, they are being told that their methods are bad. I understand your first few times trying to meet people being horrible failures and making these mistakes. But the problem is that an embarrassingly large number of men DO NOT learn anything, and they don't change their behavior. If you keep…
I'm not going to pretend I'm good at relationships. I'm terrible, but if you "let" a girl wait months to tell you that she's not interested, that's really your problem. If you want a romantic relationship with someone, try to start one. If you don't want "rejection" to take 3 months, don't wait 3 months to "make…
Are we still talking about the guy who follows her home? Because even if he's shy and awkward, he would have to be pretty damn clueless too to not know that women don't like that. It sounds like the woman who wrote the letter tried dropping hints that she wasn't interested, and he didn't pick up on them/purposefully…
I think plenty have considered the nice guys were 'nice'. In fact this whole 'nice guy' thing started out by creating this image of women being illogical for rejecting a good man and making them the villains for simply rejecting them.
After a while (and I'm talking from my own experience so I'm not sure if this is…