Not necessarily.

That’s not a debate. “I won’t vote for a cop and fuck you if you will” sounds real spicy, but it’s not going to win liberalism jack shit in 2020, and in the end you’re just going to come off as a hater. You want political capital here, you talk real policy, experiences, real solutions, counterproposals - yeah, cops…

You’ve made some wonderful points, and I actually agree about the death tolls of capitalism - look at the million-plus Arabs and Muslims killed in this grotesque “War on Terror”, which we are still lowballing the figures of to this day. I’ve seen U.S. soldiers threaten to shoot American anti-war activists and “plant…

I’m down. These are good ideas.

Policing in the US, and any capitalist country, inherently serves capital (and is correspondingly racist, misogynist, and anti-worker)

I still think you need a better answer to the contrast between your desire to scuttle Harris because “fuck the police” - and the notion that Communist countries throughout the last hundred years of our history have established some of the most repressive police states known to mankind.

Suit yourself. That’s a million potential American votes you want to toss away.

“Fuck the cops and the police state, that’s why we need Communism instead” is still kinda blowing my mind, so you will forgive me if I need time to process this.

Sure.  I mean, only a million Cubans fled the country, or were deported by Castro unconditionally. That’s a ringing endorsement of the brilliant conditions there.

I highly disagree.  At least in the comments people have a *chance* at an honest take.

Honestly, if your argument is that you don’t want a police state, advocating hardline Communism may not be the best way to win hearts and minds.

Uh huh.

Oooh, yeah! Political commercials!

Feel free to make the case for them.

Personally, as someone who’d rather destroy oppressive institutions than attempt what I’ve come to see as a fool’s errand of “reforming” their inherent natures, my solutions are to press for fundamental, radical change while grabbing whatever immediate improvements can be found.

Who are you backing, if I may ask?

And what’s your counterproposal?

McKinney had more principle, I agree.

Ungreying because this is good debate. Yes, her record on failing to take a tougher stance on criminal justice reform needs to be addressed.

It’s also gonna be some weapons-grade cynical bullshit if The Root’s crab-bucket crew comes over here and busts up the campaign of one of the strongest black women to run for President in years because hey, fuck the police.