Yes, but I don't see what you want me to say. It's pointless to argue over what Jezebel would do if they could get a quote out of Jane Doe or how ethically they would handle it because they don't have the opportunity to show us. But understanding that parts of journalism may feel ethically or morally ambiguous to an…

I do think it's pretty self-serving because I'm a cynic about the media. And?

I never implied the subject didn't have the right?

Oh man, that quote. That fucking quote.

"The media wants the story, for whatever intent, and they will do what they can to get it."

It's so bad, I can't keep their bullshit logic straight even to make a joke.

Exactly. I thought this quote was telling too:

This quote is what prohibits me from sympathizing at all with these people. By them saying they're "sick of" thinking how the victim feels, it shows how little they care about the actual rape. This quote lost me and I decided that no, I don't feel sorry for these people and their "destroyed" (not actually destroyed)…

I'm not asking for remorse. I'd settle for not "but what about ME?!?!" in response to someone else's tragedy.

Or how breathing some air can make you sick but we just won't tell you in so many words... PR might be ruining my optimism.

Or breathing air and walking upright, for that matter.

I think you read my tone right, I was merely explaining that it still stands true; thus, not bullshit. Nothing wrong with a healthy dose of cynicism after working in media for a couple of years.

Well then I owe you an apology as well, because the lack of the ability to adequately judge sarcasm led me to assume you were decrying media practices rather than defending them. My bad.

I work in media; with reporters, writers, editors, PR professionals, etc. It was a cliche but that literally is media for you. Literally. That is what the media is supposed to do, no matter how difficult the situation or how much the parties involved deserve privacy. Being disgusted is pointless. The media wants the…

Ah I see. OK then. Yes I agree. I assume the lawyer has a blanket go away response and the family probably never knew she asked. I know from experience that some reporters do attempt to contact families directly and I think that's wildly out of line I had no idea that she had representation fielding questions.

Actually my response was more geared toward the "that's media for you" bullshit that followed your comment, because it's intellectually lazy to drop a cliche like that rather than acknowledging that, like any other group, the media aren't homogenous.

One of the boys also tried to put his penis in her mouth, but she was too drunk to respond. But yeah, that's no big deal either...that's not real rape. Don't cry rape until we have a torn vagina, m'kay.

ok that's good to know. The way you didn't isn't at all untoward and I appreciate that (and sorry that I implied or assumed you just looked up her phone number). But what was your game plan if you got in touch? Especially when someone had just told you she wanted it all to go away? I don't know, I get that you…

Yes exactly! "Well sure she got raped, but who knew fingering someone who was passed out was rape. I mean obvs it wasn't rape rape. People need to realize it was just finger rape and stop being mad at us. It would be different if she had actually gotten pooped on!"

"Adults in Steubenville are sick of thinking about how she [the rape victim] feels." And this is why I still don't feel bad for the people of Steubenville. The lack of introspection is staggering.