I don’t know if you actually DO read carefully because I said biological essentialism does contribute to patriarchy. You are arguing the opposite here.

Statistically, 90% or more of fashion industry - designers, models, etc. are women.

For sure. I agree with you. I was just arguing against people who believe these are INHERENT qualities.

I agree with you completely. I just think it is dangerous to think that such qualities are INHERENT.

So by your logic, can you explain to me why I can’t reverse it and say these problematic statements: “women own fashion, men don’t like fashion because they don’t care about clothes.” “men own libido and are more sexual than women.” when both are actually rooted in facts?

I guess my words are falling on deaf ears.... No one is “defending” against your facts. Men ARE overwhelming the killers. I was just arguing about the danger of the language. Dear God.

You are right, it is non-violent. But I think, to think that women are “biologically nonviolent” is problematic too.

So many people had said the same thing about race, and that’s why such ideas are dangerous. Women have for centuries been, in statistics, lower in libido than men, but there is a danger in saying that “men own libido because it’s a fact and women are less sexual than men.” Because we are more than biology. We are more…

You are misunderstanding me. Please read posts carefully before you accuse me of something I did not do. We agree that men are more likely to commit murder, and that men have been perpetrators for a very long time. I know it is a fact. We only disagree in that you think that is biology. I think it is dangerous to…

You also asked me to give an example of women having been more violent, and simply ignored it when I gave you examples because it did not fit your narrative about men being more biologically violent. I think you’re just ignoring to see how patriarchy works, because you want to believe that it is biology.

I’m saying that I see that, and I agree with you that it is a fact. We agree here. But I’m merely pointing out the danger in your generalization.

Furthermore, the reasoning is problematic because you seem to think that women CANNOT be as violent at all. So, when you see female murderers, like Casey Anthony, do you just label them as “not woman?” How can you not see that it is problematic to think that way / use biological essentialism in that way?

1) Have you ever heard about Scythians and the female warriors, also known to have inspired Amazonian women tales? Also, there have been queens throughout history who have been absolutely as violent as male rulers. Mary I of England, anyone? So you either don’t know history very well, or you don’t know how patriarchy…

Also - according to your logic, do you believe that women are born to be inherently “weak” because they have been victims of many crimes across the board and across religion or culture? I hope not, because it’s not true. Patriarchy is universal, and it works in ways that we do not even realize.

It is true that testosterone does and can make men “biologically more inclined towards violence.” There were actually much more women-to-men or women-to-women violences back in the day, but as patriarchy had to be strengthened with the empowerment of many problematic civilizations such as religion, this idea that…

Not to mention - women CAN be as violent as men, even though societally they are discouraged from being that way, therefore do not tend to be. To think that women inherently cannot be as “violent” is also problematic, because if you want to think of women as human beings, there’s no reason why they can’t be as violent.

As a domestic violence survivor, it disheartens me knowing that women and women of color are so often targeted by males to assert their “masculinity.” We live in a society that victim blaming is so common that people don’t even realize it is victim blaming. However, I’m seeing a lot of comments that say “this is why…

I agree, and I’m also a domestic violence survivor, but there is a problem with your logic. This is not because inherently or biologically men are much more violent, but rather that society tells them the idea of toxic “masculinity” where the power must be asserted towards others. You saying that “men are so much more…

Fuq. I’m considering moving to Malibu or Topanga (I live in Marina del Rey now) and one of my biggest fear is some house falling on top of mine.

I love and commend you for being a voice of reason on this thread and also for explaining the situation. Thank you radguurl.