There is nothing in my suggestion that implies that social skills are more important than math (or anything else, for that matter). I find the argument that disruptions, which already happen for a variety of other reasons and always have, could derail the skills taught in a math class to be an absurd stretch.
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They already know the world is unfair, they don’t need to be taught that lesson anymore than they already are.

Forgive me if I don’t hold your opinion of my skill in high esteem. I find you quite lacking as well, but I also find myself without reason to remark on it until such a time as it is relevant to a subject. I’m perfectly content to leave you to your shortcomings, as I see them. Since we’re telling each other irrelevant…

This isn’t how it goes, though.

I’ve taught children since I was 14 years old (and earlier, but without the bona fides), and I can tell you that, at least in my experience, they have no problem learning in that way. That way, which is to tell them the entirety of the plain facts of the situations, and then let them explore all of the possible…

I think that could be argued well. And I don’t necessarily advocate for a rewards based system, simply because of the nature of rewards and punishments (being inescapable corollaries). But I’m not against it, on the face of it, because there are instances wherein the punishment is minimal and the rewards are great, so…

Hard agree, on pretty much all of what you said. The real world is much more forgiving than school was (at least for me) and there is no universal standard for ‘professional dress’.

I suppose so! Loose language is often the source of unnecessary digression in argument, so I try to straddle the line between being accurate and being understandable, usually getting more ‘clinical’ in my language as an argument wears on.

I’m fully supportive of the idea of a dress code curriculum. Like I said, a frank discussion with students seems valid, and I can’t think of any way to do that without putting it in a course. Since we already have courses for social skills, that would seem to slot right in (though, much more could be added, if we’re…

Did I say anything about maintaining the status quo? At the moment, I don’t know of ANY rewards-based dress codes. That is something I could see advocating for, but I haven’t fully vetted. At the moment, I only know of punitive dress codes. That is something I specifically admonished.

Because what you’re saying isn’t obvious.

While I guess that does prepare them for the real world in terms of the real world being full of BULLSHIT INEQUITIES perhaps we should consider whether that’s a lesson we actually want to teach.

A criticism of the author’s appeal to sophomoric choice of affirmations. She didn’t say “right on”, or something similar. She said “Show me the lie”. A pedant’s call to arms, in many respects.

Honestly? You’re taking the stance that most criticism isn’t what is claims to be, on it’s face, but is actually a mask for something else?

Ha ha! Classic work.

You do realize that the actual cost of a raise has very little to do with pricing, right?

Like anyone gives a shit what you think.

Show me the lie.

So, obviously, punishment for this issue is wrong (punitive dress codes, in general, are pretty stupid), but your situation does raise a question: Isn’t there a place for a frank discussion with the students about how they present themselves? Both for the presenter as well as the audience members?

Like anyone gives a shit what you think.