I empathize a great deal. As much as I disliked Owen, when he was a writer here, I found an odd comfort in his comment chicanery.
Such sass and bluster for someone so frustratingly obtuse. It was irritating, but it was dependable.

Okay, friend. Whatever you think.

First, realize that what you’re doing is not an apology - it’s commiseration. Same as “I’m sorry about your cat”, when someone’s cat dies. You’re not apologizing to them, you’re commiserating with them.

Supremely wish more people would understand this.

The quote that I linked to is a pretty close approximation of “hate begets hate”. But if you really want to be pedantic, let me link the fucking Wikipedia article, since apparently you can’t fucking google “Hate begets hate”.
Satisfied?

Okay, but could you react with words that are relevant to what we are talking about? Because, “Hate begets hate” does not mean “hating hatred is a contradiction”. Therefore a response of “hating hatred isn’t a contradiction” has no bearing on the topic of whether or not “hate begets hate”.

Why didn’t you reply to me directly? I haven’t dismissed any of your comments. Even the ones where you go off in a tangent about things that I wasn’t, at all, talking about. You’re more than welcome to reply to me, without fear of dismissal. Ever.

Did I say it was? Don’t lump me in with whatever prejudice you have against people who aren’t in lock step with the liberal talking points. I believe someone said to me, recently, something along the lines of reasonable people disagreeing...

Who said anything about POCs policing themselves? I have no idea where these wild readings come from, but I wish you would stick to the text. “Hate begets hate” does not mean that hate is not justifiable. You’re acting as if I’m attacking a person, or people, when I’m attacking an ideology.
I have no problem with the…

Looks like this got dismissed, as well, so I’m reposting my response to this comment here:

Who said “only”. My whole point was that I was trying to square the philosophical discussion with my personal feeling, which is that OP is right to want to kill white supremacists.

It seems like you’re reading it backwards? The “perceived injustice” bit was about white supremacists perceiving injustice to THEM which is, of course, nonsense.

When did I say it was moral? What are you even talking about? At no point have I tried to “high road” this. I simply agreed that another commenter was being castigated for an admittedly sound logic. That’s it. I’m sorry that has you so wound up, because you think that by somehow recognizing that, it precludes my…

Since it is not otherwise showing up, I replied to this comment with this:

Be done all you want. I’m not your ally. I never claimed to be. I follow the logic, and compare it to reason. That’s it. I do it because I find philosophy fascinating. I have not and will not take any “side” and thus I have not been and won’t ever be an “ally”. To anyone.

That’s a bit uncharitable, but I’ll take it. I didn’t need to call people “fucking children”. I find the reasonable conclusion (as reached by many profound thinkers, throughout time) that “hate begets hate” as an extremely simplistic concept that requires no further thought. For that reason, I petulantly derided…

No. I’m implying they hate anyone they consider as “others” because they consider them as “others”.
So why is that? Do you honestly think its about pigmentation? It’s about culture, and opportunity, and perceived injustice, and fear of the unknown, and a whole host of dumb bullshit. In short: people will use any excuse…

What are you even talking about? When have I brought up my feelings? When did I ask anyone to put aside righteous anger? I +1'd a comment that acknowledged the logic of another comment. That’s it.

I don’t see the correlation? Just because you have REASON to hate someone, doesn’t make that hate any more right. It was Jesus who said to turn the other cheek, after all, and he wasn’t even talking about hate. Just reason. When someone attacks you, it’s hard to offer them the opportunity to do it again. Some may even…

For posterity, I replied to this comment with this: