I wish you could get the PG version they released in theaters.  I very much prefer it, because it skips over most of the depressing shit.

What was the deleted scene you mention?

My daughter is six and wanted to watch Grease at her birthday party, but one of the moms said her kid couldn’t watch it because it “features abortion.”

Thanks.  To be fair, I’m so sprung on Mandy I think it’s better than most everything, haha, but I appreciate that input.

Mandy is one of the best movies of the 2010s, hands down.  If this gets within spitting distance, I’m IN.

The problem with sex is that it can lead to a relationship and marriage, which can then lead to being tortured for years by some hateful asshole, which can then lead to a grueling divorce, that will then lead to you not wanting sex anymore because the last thing you want to do is risk getting pulled back into that…

That context isn’t in the movie, which must be judged on its own terms, and at the end of the movie the Joker is effectively rescued from the cops by his sympathetic (one could even say reverential) followers, hoisted onto a cop car and applauded by hundreds of supportive fans.

I’m not saying he’s justified, but the way the movie turns him into a hero of the people at the end would certainly seem to indicate the filmmakers thought so.

There are three or four posts on this page that say the equivalent of “I hope it wins because it will start a shitshow.”  I don’t see anyone saying “It’s a great movie but I hate it because of other reasons.”

Right on.

I don’t know: it does tell the story of a white man who is so beat down by an unfair society that he’s justified in striking back, including by killing his innocent black neighbor.  The objectionable themes are pretty blatant.

Directed by the guy who directed Life? Ooof.

So, fanboy culture?

I mean, I agree with you: thinking people realize he’s pathetic, and his turn to violence is contemptible. But the movie definitely holds him up as a hero to all those people going wild on the street.

I mean, I’ve seen the movie twice, so my opinion of it is based exclusively on what’s onscreen. He’s absolutely glorified—an entire subculture arises around him and the movie ends (the first time) with him standing on top of a car as thousands cheer him as a hero—they are literally “looking up to him.”  A star is…

I think the word is “depressing”

Agreed, its not deep at all. Agreed that Phoenix does a great job, and that it’s well shot and paced. But at the end of the day, it’s just one more comic book movie. Sorta fun to watch, but best picture? Come on.

Are you nine?  You want a movie to win best picture because it will create a “shit show”?  Pathetic.

In what universe do people like things just to spite the people that don’t? That’s the MAGA world view, gotta own those libs!

“ITS A GREAT FILM. Seriously, Joker is not that deep.”