I have a suspicion that if this was confirmed to be Ukraine military or NATO who shot this plane down you would not be saying "Who the fuck cares...".

All countries post anti aircraft systems at their boarders rather than inland, it defeats the purpose of anti air systems to not deploy them to a border either in peace or wartime.

Wait, isn't the SA6 a Kub and the SA11/17 Buk? The difference being is the the Buk can be telar rather than just tel like the Kub. Which means the Buk would have a basic built in radar while the Kub without the radar network would have to have been visually acquired?

Pretty sure this system has a 15olb high explosive fragmenting warhead.

I believe that this version is a telar (transport erector launcher and radar) which gives basic information outside of a sophisticated radar control system. So as a buk plugged into the Ukraine or Russian radar network would see the civilan tag on the airplane the rebels who operated a isolated buk would see the…

wait, wut? I said it is possible this was a mistake by Ukraine but based on the planes course it is far more likely either the Russians or affiliated group. This is pretty close to the same location that those forces have downed 3 Ukraine aircraft.

Yes but it is far easier to create fake footage than it is for a 3rd party bring in some portable air defence unit capable of hitting an airliner at 30k feet while making it look like it was another power. Especially in the middle of a warzone with every satellite, radar and air defence unit in the region pointed at…

That aircraft was flying OUT of Iran and towards the Vincennes, the Malaysian flight was heading OUT of Ukraine AWAY from Ukrainian forces. If there was a mistake it is much more likely to be Russian since the aircraft was heading TOWARDS Russia.

A shoulder mounted SAM (MANPAD) would have a difficult time tracking and hitting a plane that is 30 thousand feet in the air, the most advanced of them usually top out at around 20 thousand feet. This would have to be at least medium mobile anti air platform which has lots of safeguards in place to prevent what you…

It would have to be a pretty big mistake considering that the aircraft was headed OUT of Ukraine airspace and not INTO it. They would have to be pretty badly trained to track a plane coming out of their territory and leaving it and think it hostile.

It is crazy to anyone with any type of experience in both combat and war zones. The amount of things that need to go right in order to frame another power for something is incredibly high and usually not worth the risk. This is especially so since the separatists already have shot down multiple Ukraine aircraft and…

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Yeah of course it wasn't, this case only became because the law mandated they pay for something they never wished to pay for... Your words saying that Hobby Lobby never paid for plan B would sort of prove they are being truthful, no?

Yes I see that, I must clarify though my wife's contraceptives are not currently covered or we're not at the point she stopped taking them. I just know it is one of the 16 that Hobby Lobby still plans to cover, we paid out of pocked $160 for them.

I did not say they were, I don't believe they are... What I am saying is that Hobby Lobby believes that and that is why they do not wish to cover plan b but still will cover 16 out of 20 medications, right? Are any of the non covered ones prescriptions or OTC?

How often do people need to purchase plan b type pills? How many treatments come in a pack? I am not trolling I really have no idea, regular birth control ("the pill") is still covered, just not what these groups consider "abortions"...

Hobby Lobby is still planning to cover 16 of the 20 FDA approved birth controls, right? This ruling for Hobby Lobby pertains to birth control that they believe is related to abortion, IE the morning after pill...? Or so I thought.

I think Hobby Lobby minimum wage is $14 an hour for full time and $10 for part time.

I really just wish that the Apple mouse would have separate buttons or allow for right and left click at the same time... I love their mouse but can't use it for gaming.

I believe I said "in the Western world the benefit is less"...