Thanks, I have capitulated on that idea.

That is not my take on it at all, my idea of feminism is that men and women are psychologically and physically (barring biological differences) the same. Treatment of one group based on sex rather than merit is wrong and that we should all be evaluated on our words and actions not our biological "crap shoot".

That is the disconnect that I have capitulated on, I ascribed the term "feminist" as something else. Something that only a person who has lived that life and chooses to fight it can be called.

It's damaging to have someone claim to be a feminist if they don't believe the ideology of what the term stands for. When you have young kids who hear a strong women speak as a feminist they will believe her words represent feminism when they most surely do not. Nor do her actions.

Thanks and I have capitulated on the term being restrictive. My thoughts are probably formed from my mother who abhorred labels during the height of the civil rights movement.

Yes, I have capitulated on this.

I have capitulated on this, the term is whatever people want it to be. For me it has always meant someone who has had to live with the problem and is trying to solve it, that is why to me men can't be feminists. But I have capitulated to the idea what the term means whatever the speaker believes.

That is a valid point and I do agree with your statement.

That was not what I meant, I identify with the goals of feminism, I have no insecurities with my own (as some have tried to say) masculinity but I still refuse to call myself a feminist. It's not that I am ashamed or afraid it's just that I feel the term is not applicable to someone who does not have to deal with the…

That is like saying that white people were living through the civil rights movement of the 60's and 70's... Sure we are living through it but does that mean its negatively affecting us?

I never said anything about not vocally aligning themselves, I said specifically about taking the feminist label.

I know it's her opinion but she was doing things like this long before I was alive, I value her views on these types of things. Her biggest problem with many causes is that people tend to make it about them, she believes that supporting and facing the issue are very different things.

And I have disagreed with his points before on this very site... Don't get me wrong, I literally idolize this man (except for his socialist views) but I still disagree with some of his points and way of explaining certain things.

I see your point, but there is a difference between supporting something and being the one affected by it. Our society is very fickle and its people even more so, we utilize labels like its breathing air. To me a feminist is a living breathing person who has had their lives affected by a society that looks at them…

We can call ourselves feminist but I find the hypocrisy of claiming to be something when you are not the one who loses or will take loss is disingenuous. The idea that women would need men to accomplish this is part of the problem. Men should and can help and support the movement as rigorous as a women can but we do…

My mom, she was not talking about feminism she was talking about the civil rights movement...

I never said it was not my issue or my fight to assist in its just that to assume the label is to be slightly disingenuous...

I'll copy my response to someone else;

Sorry for the canned response but since everyone is pointing out the same thing I will just copy/paste my previous response...

I'll copy my response to someone else;