To be fair, this is a petition signed by self-identified trans women and STEM fields are disproportionately represented compared to the stats for females. There are many reasons for that, I guess, but these are self-identified folks.

Siobhan, was are you saying "no one is blaming trans"? That is not only grammatically incorrect, but its like saying "no one is blaming the blacks..."

OOOOH. That bugs me. That "trans women of color..."

Oppressed men, while they may intersect, have completely different axes of oppression from women. Notably, that regardless of their oppression they are situated as not-female, not woman.

And there we have it. Females are not entitled to space because men have it hard.

????

i didn't mention privilege; that merely avoids the question by changing the subject.

no. in that analogy, in a support group of class DISABLED WOMEN (trans women and cis women as class woman), women in WHEELCHAIRS (cis women) create a group that is separate and apart from women with visual impairments (trans women).

I'm sorry, did we watch the same video? The entire point is how gender is an absolute construct totally separate and apparent from sex.

Sex-based oppression defines the class. The sex class that we are speaking about here is female. Sex-based oppression in this context is oppression based on being female. That runs the gamut, of which the examples you cite are only two. As gender is based on perceived or actual sex assignment, that is derivative.

You are saying one's internal sense of self is the same as how the world perceives you. That is not true. I perceive myself to be a highly intelligent, competent, smart woman. Depending on where I am, I am perceived to be someone who might be more prone to shoplifting, someone who won't pay a cab, etc.

Donna, are you really saying that sex based oppression doesn't exist? Are you also asserting that there is no differential treatment between boys and girls? Did you watch the link I attached?! If so, you are going to have to provide "evidence" of something that supports those propositions other than your opinion. …

Of course trans women are affected by patriarchy. Everyone is affected by patriarchy!

Kat, first of all, thank you for this response.

But it is not about the "cis-trans" dynamic. It is about the patriarchy dynamic.

Yes, people are excluded by the definition because the producer was creating a space for female people. So if you aren't female, then yes, that would not include you.

I actually don't understand what you are saying. You are arguing circles are round because circles are round.

and then you keep reading and it says:

Seriously, did you read my post? All of your questions are answered in it. But, ok:

How exactly has she "fostered an environment where trans women are intentionally excluded and made not welcome" when trans women attend every year and discuss their experiences there?