Yes, but C450 AMG Sport competes with the S5 and 435i directly. They haven’t moved AMG sport in an upward direction. They haven’t given it an AMG engine. They just changed the name to sell more cars. You can’t justify that.

No, that is not what was done with those cars. Have you lost your mind? Maybe you just don’t know what you are talking about. This car is a C450 renamed. The S63 competes on the M and RS performance level. The S63/65 and G63/65 use actual built and signed AMG engines.

Let me make this simple for you. It would be like…

No, just no. From Audi S cars are S cars and RS cars are AMG and M competitors. Audi absolutely does not put RS badges on cars that compete in the S car bracket.

There is something seriously wrong with rebadging their run of the mil C450 as an AMG.

Even the C class competitor to the old V8 S5s and the E92 335i didn’t have a V8. Why would it have one now?

How are you seeing this as Audi’s S and RS? The S is clearly not an RS/Quattor car. a 435i M sport clearly isn’t an M car. This is a C## AMG named car that isn’t an AMG car.

The details are out. It is a name change of the C450. It doesn’t have AMG engines signed by a person. This is nothing more than a S5 and 435i competitor with AMG badges. Mercedes has gone fully insane.

That is not what has been done here. The C450 had its name changed to C43 AMG. This would be like if the S5 became the “RS almost 5" and the 435i became the “M almost 4". The C450 was nothing more than an S5 and 435i competitor.

The real reason is because Mercedes is ridiculous/greedy and they know they can easily trick sheep. This topic grinds my gears.

They’re telling buyers that Audi and BMW will give you a RS# and a M# car and you don’t have to worry about posers sitting next to you. Come to Mercedes and we will have watered down “AMG”…

You are talking about sales numbers in a conversation that has to do with Margin of Error not knowing Quattro making the RS cars. The original discussion between myself and Margin of Error has absolutely nothing to do with sales numbers. It has to do with knowing the name of Audi’s performance wing.

This isn’t an M2 competitor. It is a 435i and S5 competitor.

It is sad they have dropped to this level. Naming a S4/5 and 3/435i competitor C## AMG. I have said this before and I’ll say it again. Mercedes is dead to me.

So what? Did you read the question that I answered? Are you actually reading the conversation? The conversation I was having with margin of error has noting to do with sales numbers.

The last TT RS was sold in the United States and the new one isn’t even out yet and will be coming. What are you talking about?

I don’t even know why you people are talking to me about sales numbers to me. I didn’t bring them and it has nothing to do with what I originally said.

I don’t even know why you people are talking to me about sales numbers to me. I didn’t bring them and it has nothing to do with what I originally said.

RS5, RS7 and the R8. The RS3 and TT RS are coming. BMW has the M2 (new), M3/4, and M5 and M6. That is currently 4 M cars vs 3 Quattro cars. They only have one up because the TT RS is getting remade and BMW just added the M2.

I’m not counting M SUVs.

How?

Quattro makes the RS cars like M and AMG.

They won’t and this why we won’t get the TTV8 R8.... For now hopefully