Isn't being good at football the same as a quality such as being smart, nice, or interesting. It's a positive attribute that can benefit you, just like the others. Being good at football also might mean you are; athletic, active, healthy, smart, social, team-orientated, leadership qualities, good genetics, tall,…

Actually, stilettosoldier's phrasing and rationale help refine the concept.

Blaming this on Mushburger or male athletes is such a cop out. If women don't want to be treated like trophies then they shouldn't allow themselves to become trophies. Katherine Webb is a beautiful woman. She can have any man she wants. Coincidentally she was drawn to the handsome quarterback from the best team in the…

Ah...being the nice guy. It sucked insanely while i was in my teens and early twenties because i was always the nice guy girls ran too when their asshole bf were mean to them. Until the magic day i snapped and told this girl to go fuck herself and her problems with her badboy/cheater bf. That recipe has worked real…

I started lifting weights routinely at sixteen because I knew it would increase my chances of winning football games and getting dates with women. Never did I think to myself, "If I do this, I'm going to get laid" like it was a reward. It was more like, "If I do this, girls might notice me more because they like guys…

You can think that all you want; it's not true so it doesn't matter. If the athlete was the "prize," the women would be doing the "snagging." The winner snags a prize, the prize itself is snagged. This is pretty basic subject/object stuff.

No offense, but you're wrong. They're not saying the same thing. They're saying that on one hand the comment can be interpenetrated as being a male athlete GETS you the WOMAN, and on the other hand being a male athlete GETS you the TRAITS that women generally find attractive NOT directly gets you a woman.

That's certainly one interpretation of it. He could have meant, "Women are often attracted to famous athletes." In fact, I think you have to read into it to come up with the possessive angle.

Well, rape occurs frequently in nature, as does murder, assault, incest, cannibalism and lots of other stuff that we find socially unacceptable. Our ancestors, who are not much different from us genetically, also engaged in these behaviors. Using evolutionary psychology to help understand why some of these behaviors…

Yes. I went to a school that did not have a football team or much of a sports program at all (people didn't go to my school for sports). A variety of athletic teams existed for kids who were into sports, but athletics were not a big part of the school culture at all. But rape certainly was, to a horrible degree. …

Girls are vicious demons from toddlerhood till adulthood. I say this as a woman. I'm not sure how it evolved, but it's one of the reasons I didn't want to have kids. I can remember how passive-aggressively mean I could be, and all of my friends, and I just didn't want to have to deal with that if I ever had a girl.

For what it's worth I think you've made some valid points and stood strongly by your argument. While I absolutely think there's issues with rape culture and entitlement in the sports world, I agree with you that it's simply part of a larger problem in society. I don't think it's anything inherent in athletics that…

Cheerleaders aren't raping dudes for the same reason women aren't raping dudes, 91% of rape victims are female. That has less to do with culture and more to do with biology. I'd like to know why you think cheerleaders are the most victimized group in college, because I haven't seen anything about that but I have seen…

Sure, but that's for the woman to decide, not for the man to demand. My husband likes to be thanked for doing the dishes, but he doesn't rape me if I don't.

At least he's not wearing blinders. He may not have worded it eloquently, but he has a point. Women - at least a sizable portion of them - seem to like star athletes. To suggest finding a way to become the man that they want in order to find the woman that you want is not exactly Earth shattering. And it seems an…

That's a stretch. He was saying the star QB on the best team in the country gets a good looking girl...and he does. Tom Brady has a SUPERMODEL for a wife. There are plenty of women who love the idea of dating or marrying the star athlete. Don't deny it.

agree - just a sad grab for pageviews - seems to becoming more and more the norm around here

Any group that gets together that is likeminded in interests and style tends to exclude others. If your group is mostly white, or black or any particular ethnicitiy, or male, or female, you're going to be excluding someone and your culture won't be inclusive and may be hostile to others.

The cross-section of rape culture and jock culture comes from two things, I think:

Well said. Any time a man ascends to a position of privilege within a particular sub-culture, these expectations go along with it.