Sounds like MSRP was just set incorrectly if they could only be sold for under it. Basically artificially making people think they’re getting a deal, like when an item is perpetually “on sale” at a store.

Very much in support of this.

The pandemic was definitely rough on prices but prices ended up way better after it.

One would think this has more to do with the pandemic artificially raising used car prices to in come cases more than new car prices.

Considering that Autopilot is included for free now, it’s only a 1% difference

All Teslas include Basic. I bought mine in 2018 and the default was No Autopilot (aka old fashioned cruise control), and anything further was paid upgrades.

Taking into account the part about it including Autopilot as a standard feature, it’s a 1% increase

$40k in 2019 adjusted for inflation is $48k in 2023.

We now know the base rear-wheel-drive Cybertruck (250 miles of range, no word on horsepower) will start at $60,990. That’s a far cry from Musk’s original claim that the Cybertruck would cost under $40K.

Just not price and spec competitive to the largest market player, back to the drawing board. Why buy some low production Subaru or Toyota with a year+ waiting list and dealer markup when you can get a Model Y for half the price with better specs all around delivered in 2 or 3 weeks.

They did say during the delivery event that production has started. The first 10 or so real customers were lined up, posed for selfies, got into their trucks, and drove away at the end of the stream

I guess we’ll find out in an hour and a half, at 3pm today, when the production vehicle delivery event is scheduled to happen

You can’t order it because it hasn’t launched yet. The same way you need to wait until after Apple’s CEO goes up on stage to show off the new iPhone 123 before you can go buy it.

But from a consumer’s perspective, does it matter where the money goes? What matters to the consumer is how much they have to pay.

Yes, I’ve seen that EPA range is expected to be 150 miles. So 100 miles less than Bolt, and $13k higher price than Bolt. I love Fiat 500 (I’ve owned 2) and I love EVs (I’ve owned 2), but this is a bad deal.

Tesla Model 3 RWD ends up being $1k less than the 500e’s starting MSRP, with almost twice the range, and almost half the 0-60

Agreed. I love the Fiat 500, I’ve owned two of them. But when you look at a $32,500 MSRP that doesn’t qualify for the tax credit and then look at a Tesla Model 3 RWD that is $31,500 with tax credit, how many people are actually willing to pay more for a 500e that is significantly worse in most or all specs. And that’s…

Asperger’s Syndrome / Autism is also an obvious significant contributing factor to his social awkwardness.

Instead of the new Defender you mean? At least aesthetically IMO, 4runner has nothing on the old Defender or the Grenadier

Both good points. I guess the status quo, and why sales of non-direct sales brands haven’t been doing as well as direct sales brands, has to do with not being motivated to sell them, in part because the dealers/salespeople lack education on the product